Six points or fewer as a constant deciding factor would be nice ... if it were constant. In some blowouts the point total might be 15 or 20 more than we needed and in some losses ... well, whatever the total was simply was not enough. As far as Bosh's stamina, maybe it's just my perception. However, it seems that every time I tune in to a Raptor's game that has significance for Toronto or for the Rockets, he is missing in action with some sort of boo-boo.
It's a bad idea to overpay someone that will be well into their 30s (35-36) by the time the contract ends. McGrady's contract was never really a damper on our team. Like... his contract was never the reason we couldn't make a specific move. The reason bad contracts are bad is because they are untradeable. We are already going to be over the cap for the most part. So as long as we aren't 20 million over the lux tax, bad contracts don't really matter if you don't plan on trading the player. Bosh is a guy you don't trade unless there are injury issues. So his contract should never be an issue. Overpaying a player becomes an issue if you tend to overpay role players. I would worry if we started handing out 15 million to Brooks or Scola (which I don't think we would, but just as an example).
Agree. That is why I said in another post that, "as much as I love Scola's game, I would vote to keep Hill" every time. That said, if Scola is hobbled by injury, we have $7M - $9M sitting on the bench. In the same scenario but with Bosh, we have $17M - $21M sitting on the pine. Hmmm, when has that happened to the Rockets and to other teams as well (Washington et al)?
Bosh is still valuable for a trade, he plays about 70 games a season. I don't think you can swap them in a trade, somebody said that a double sign and trade is against league rules. You would have both players on the same team. If Scola gets injured, Bosh plays a few more minutes and Hayes takes some spot minutes. If Bosh gets injured for a few games, Scola can start and Hayes can get some spot minutes.
Eh... I don't think it's a good idea to not sign someone to a max deal because they could get injured. If they were injury prone, sure. But Bosh doesn't get injured any more than the average star player. If you have players injured in the playoffs or for a majority of the season, you aren't going to win a title anyway so it's a moot point.
Bosh is the missing piece in the middle and the best fit for our team that will be available via FA or draft we shouldnt and Morey isnt gona overpay for him becuz the Raptors should feel fortunate just to get anything in return (see Tracy trade) we wont overpay and we'll get the better end of the deal guaranteed, dont fret
Durvasa, would it be possible to stick Jefferson's numbers next to Scola and Bosh? That would be very cool. (and maybe Hill, just for fun!??)
Code: [B]Scola Hill Bosh Jefferson[/B] min 36 36 36 36 pts 17.9 14.1 23.9 19.0 reb 9.5 10.1 10.8 10.3 stl 0.8 0.8 0.6 0.9 blk 0.4 1.2 1.0 1.4 ast 2.3 1.2 2.4 2.0 TS% 55.0% 52.8% 59.2% 52.4% PER 17.2 15.0 25.0 19.0
Very nice. Thanks, durvasa. In the case of Hill, the 36 minute metric might not be a great indicator of future production, or is it? What do you think? Still, a very useful chart for comparison. Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, as my mother would say. Bosh clearly is the cream of this crop, looking at your chart, but I have to say I'm a little surprised at how many blocks Bosh and Jefferson have. Not super impressive. (and I know it's just a chart, but you have to have some basis for comparing these players) Bosh only has .6 blocks more than Scola. Is there a particular reason for that? Luis had been hammered here many times for his "lack of athleticism," which Bosh has in spades. So why such a small difference there?
Its fairly clear you have some sort of bias here. Why dont you ask yourself if you think Morey knows what he is doing, because its fairly obvious Bosh is his target.
On the Bosh v Jefferson debate. I would be fine with both. The thing that worries me about Jefferson is the injuries. And if he were on the trading block in the first place, that would be an indication of something. With Bosh, he's on the "trading block" because he's a free agent. Bosh is the better overall player, sure. But you have to think in a Rick Adelman offense a guy like Bosh that is a top tier player you build around wouldn't stand out much more than Jefferson anyway. So... obviously you would like to have the better player, but I can live with getting Jefferson. They both fill the same role. Same with Boozer but I don't think Utah would want to sign and trade him to us.
I like bosh and jefferson, but in terms of cost and functionality, i prefer jefferson. Bosh can play center in stretches, but not long stretches. Jefferson on the hand can play it for as long as the team needs. The team needs to come to grips that Yao may never be more than a 25 minute per game guy. There is also a realistic scenerio that he may be so immobile that it really makes 0 sense to include him in future plans. Jefferson does have recent injury history, but he would also fit the rebuild effort in the age group of the current rockets young core. He doesnt make max, but can give the squad max production. His versitility would also allow the team to continue the development of hill and give the team the flexibility to pair him with another big in the future like Marc Gasol if they choose that route.My fear with bosh is the players given up,the contract,and the uncertainty with yao.Jefferson would cost alot less in contract and assets.
First, I clearly have a bias, and the focal point of that bias is the Houston Rockets. Whatever advances the cause of the Rockets I support. Second, although Morey showed some skill at the last trade deadline and some sheer luck (Scola), I am not convinced that Morey is a top GM (who can forget Rudy Gay?). Moneyball IMO is not the be-all-and-end-all definitive solution for acquiring players.
