LOL definitely, so wouldn't you think that Deron Williams should be considered "elite" (top 5) or is this just a figment of my swirling imagination? Thanks.
Great way to now when you're wrong is when I give you stats to show he's a top 3 player and your ignoring the obvious. That's ignant!
Given what a monster Howard is especially on defense? Heck yeah I think Howard's a way better player than Kobe at this point.
tier 1: LeBron Wade Kobe Howard tier 2: Durant Roy Melo Paul tier 3: Deron Bosh Dirk Nash, Gasol, Pierce, Amare
I know this is a reach for me to say, but if Dwight Howard could learn how not to foul every time he makes contact, I think the Magic could win 5 championships in the next 10 years. Thats how important defense out of your big man is in my humble opinion. APBRmetrics would say that Kobe is way overrated.
Top 6 in no particular order: Dwayne Wade Lebron James Kobe Bryant Kevin Durant Deron Williams Carmelo Anthony Next 6: Chris Paul Dwight Howard Brandon Roy Dirk Nowitzki Manu Ginobili Steve Nash Final 6: Chris Bosh Amar'e Stoudemire Derrick Rose Tim Duncan Pau Gasol Yao Ming Wildcards: Joe Johnson Gerald Wallace Paul Pierce Carlos Boozer Stephen Curry Danny Granger
The top 5 are easy: Lebron James Kobe Bryant Dwayne Wade Kevin Durant Dwight Howard It's too damn hard and argumentative to rank 6-15 unless you do it without regard to who's 6 and so on. Here's my best of the rest, 6-15, without picking them in any order: Carmello Anthony Steve Nash Deron Williams Chris Paul Brandon Roy Joe Johnson Tim Duncan Dirk Nowitzki Chris Bosh Yao Ming This is my best effort.
carmelo is NOT a top 5 player. deron williams is now officially a top 5 player (you can argue he's a top 3-4 player as he's an all-world offensive player and he's not too shabby defensive player). derrick rose will be a top 10 player next year. his development has continued from last year. he just needs to get to the line more and imrove his playmaking. howard and roy have reached their peaks. such a shame b/c both are youn. my top 15 are (this season + playoffs) 1) lebron james 2) dwayne wade 3) deron williams 4) kevin durant 5) kobe bryant - yes, kobe bryant is not a top 3 player anymore. people need to get used to it. the lakers can afford him to have C-level games and still win 6) dwight howard - his lack of offensive progress is the reason. 7) chris paul - i think when healthy, he does challenge deron for that top PG spot 8) dirk 9) carmelo anthony 10) steve nash 11) tim duncan 12) chris bosh - his stats say for something. im sure if he's on a great team, he will still get his 13) brandon roy 14) amare stoudamire 15) derrick rose - i expect him to be top 10 next year if he continues to develop
Ginobili is a great player and all, but I would take everyone in the Final 6, along with Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce, Carlos Boozer, and Danny Granger over him.
Ranked by tiers- ------ Super Super Stars Lebron ------- Super Stars Kobe Wade Howard Gasol ------- Stars Dirk Duncan Durant D. Williams C. Paul Amare Carmelo ------- Faux Stars Bosh Feel good about the top 5, after that it is more sketchy
I'm going to do top 3 at each position: Point Guard: Chris Paul Deron Williams Steve Nash Shooting Guard: Kobe Bryant Dwyane Wade Brandon Roy Small Forward: LeBron James Carmelo Anthony Danny Granger Power Forward: Tim Duncan Dirk Nowitzki Chris Bosh Center: Dwight Howard Amare Stoudemire Yao Ming
No Particular order: 1) Aaron Brooks 2) Kevin Martin 3) Luis scola 4) chuck Hayes 5) Trevor ariza 6) Shane battier 7) David Anderson 8) chase budinger 9) Jordan hill 10) Kyle lowery 11) Yao Ming 12) Jared jefferies 13) Hilton Armstrong 14) Jermaine Taylor 15) chris bosh
PG: Paul Deron Williams Rose SG: Kobe Wade Roy SF: LeBron Durant Melo PF: Dirk Bosh Amare C: Yao Howard David Lee Those are all in order by the way.
1. Lebron James 2. Kobe Bryant 3a. Dwyane Wade 3b. Kevin Durant 5. Dwight Howard 6. Carmelo Anthony 7. Dirk Nowitzki 8. Chris Paul 9. Tim Duncan 10. Deron Williams 11. Steve Nash 12. Brandon Roy 13. Chris Bosh 14. Yao Ming (could be a little higher, if healthy) 15. Pau Gasol/Amare Stoudemire (tie) - Gasol might be a better defender (because of effort), while Amar'e has the potential to be a go-to guy for whole season and score a few more points. Honorable Mentions: Joe Johnson Derrick Rose Al Jefferson Paul Pierce Rajon Rondo
