No it's just the fact that people in their minds actually think players like T-Mac are better than Kobe. You REALLY have to hate Kobe to think that.
Sure, I exaggerated...but what you were trying to get across in your post was that no way a multilingual person could get a 760. A 760 does not mean someone's illliterate or can't learn languages. I guarantee you that there are plenty of multilingual people out there that aren't very bright. It isn't hard for someone to be multilingual, impressive, but not hard...heck, I speak 3 languages, and it wasn't hard for me to learn any of them. It's not like Kobe had to go to high school or college to learn them...he learned them by being in the environment that he was in. Just because someone's multilingual doesn't necessarily mean that the person can't be stupid. Now I'm not saying that Kobe's stupid, but you can't prove what he got or didn't get on his SAT's using the amount of languages he can speak.
---------- Bryant is not the best player on his team like these guys were. A more apt ring comparison would be Scott Pippen. ------------- I couldnt agree more. Well said
That Scottie Pippen comparison makes sense. Shaq as the best player is a given. Pippen was a great player in his prime though, and he led the Bulls to the Western conference finals during the absence of Jordan. Kobe has a better all around offensive game than Pippen, and is more of a leader than Pippen. Not to mention Pippen is a HOF. So that comparison just shows how great Kobe is. P.S I hate Pippen.
Thanks for pointing the typo out. As to leading them to the 2nd round, I checked that out on the Bulls website, that's correct too. Sorry for the memory leak.
I repeat, he does not speak 4 languages, at least until I see him pass a spanish/italian/french/portugese grammar test, both written and oral. I don't think there is ANY similarity between Kobe and Pippen, other than that they both play on championship teams with great players. IMO Kobe has already done more than Pippen ever has.
I don't know, Quitten was a damn good player alongside MJ. Remember, many considered Quitten to be the 2nd best player in the NBA, just as with Kobe now. Quitten was also a hell of a defensive player, and a staple on the all-league defensive teams. He's a 6-time NBA world champion. I hate the guy, but he was a hell of a sidekick to Jordan. IMO, until Shaq retires, and Kobe has a chance to prove that he is indeed capable of being the player that everyone says he is as the number 1 option...Scottie Pippen is a more apt comparison right now. That's not a bad thing, just remember how everyone felt when the Rockets first acquired Quitten...forget what he actually did when he got here. There was some big time hype, because of how good everyone thought Quitten was. Of course, we all know what he turned out to be... IMO, Kobe will be successful without Shaq, nowhere near the failure Quitten turned out to be, but will he win another championship once Shaq's gone? Probably not. (provided that he isn't paired with Tim Duncan or someone of that stature...)
So...when you guys step on the court, do you want to play with scrubs so everyone can see how tight your skills are, or would you pick the best players out there so you can win the game and stay on the court? I don't think Kobe cares.
Hmmm.....if you grow up in two different countries (and spend a lot of your childhood...the time that it's easier to learn languages in the foreign country)....should you now be able to speak both languages?
So? What the hell is your argument? No one here said he would rather play on a team of bad players. The fact still remains, we won't be able to tell how good Kobe really is until Shaq is gone.
Of course, the shaq being there caveat always applies, but that's exactly what I mean. We can't ever know for certain what would happen in a hypoththetical situation, right now Kobe is doing the best he can possibly do in a REAL situation, he is winning championships every single year and excelling personally. Nobody ever says, "Wait a second, what could MJ do WITHOUT Pippen? until he leaves we'll never know" . Just like "we never know" what Kobe would do without shaq, we will never know what McGrady, Pierce, etc "would have" won done this year in Kobe's place . I can sit around and say that Kobe would have brought his team as far as/farther than McGrady and the rest with as much justification as somebody who says what another player would have done on the lakers. I judge Kobe by what he has done on the court, and it is far more than Pippen ever has, and has about 10+ seasons of his prime basketball playing years to continue to out do him
Umm...that's because we already know, MJ played 5 or so seasons without Quitten. He showed he was a hell of a player, who couldn't quite win the big one. Read my previous post regarding Quitten...this guy was held up in very high regards. I mean he was perceived good enough to be included in the NBA's top 50 players of all-time. We all know it was a mistake now, but the perception back then was that Quitten, as Kobe is perceived now to be, was the second or third best player in the league.
Of course we know how good Kobe is...multi-ring, multi-all star, high scoring shooting guard. I think MJ's success was due in large part to Pippen. See...he's not doing anything for that team he's on now without him. Oh oh oh...wait---I mean Phil Jackson. See---Krause was right in hiring Jackson because Jackson is winning rings even without MJ, but Collins has MJ again and isn't winning ANYTHING. Thats a DUMB argument Astro. You can't hypothesize that way. All you can do is roll the accomplishments up and see what part he had to play in them. I see him with the ball in his hand a lot during these championship runs and I see high PPG avg's and I see clutch shots. What more do people want? The first season Shaq is gone, things WILL go down. Then I guess you and Cat will say "We told you so". Nooooo. You can't ever replace a teammate like Shaq and keep truckin' the same way...
Then Krause built him a team and got him a coach that help him get over that hump. I really hope this team he's building out now goes somewhere so he'll get some of the credit he deserves. Yes, having MJ was a luxury, and no, he didn't treat the jewel he had with all the care he should have, but he's got a heck of an eye for talent, and he knows what it takes to build a team. It's funny---there are several people that should have recieved overwhelming glory for that dynasty, but MJ's glare is so bright it washes them out. Except Pip has ALWAYS been screwed up in the head. Kobe's known the spotlight for longer than Pip has been playing. If clutch and heart were hair, Pips a baldy and Kobe is Rick Fox or the Afro'd Dr. J...
Kobe is a better player than Pippen ever was. The only aspect Pippen probably was better than Kobe is defense. Pippen and MJ didn't have a 300+lbs guy holding down the fort behind them. Plus, Kobe has a much more pleasant personality than Pippen. I think comparing Kobe's accomplishment to the past greats by their age is grossly unfair. The guys in the past didn't get to play pro ball until at least 21. If you want to compare how fast a player develops into a star, you should look at how short a time the guy gets into the allstar game since he FIRST GETS HIS HAND ON A BASKETBALL. In that regard, Hakeem would be #1 hands down.
