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What's correct?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by AroundTheWorld, Apr 12, 2010.

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Which one is correct?

Poll closed Apr 19, 2010.
  1. "I have never been so sure than today"

    12.0%
  2. "I have never been so sure as today"

    78.0%
  3. Both are ok.

    10.0%
  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Which one do you think is correct? If we have any English teachers or so here who could provide an explanation, that would be great. Thanks.

    Edit: I am aware that "I have never been as sure as (I am/I have) today" or "I have never been more sure than (I am/I have) today" are both correct and would probably be used more often - but I am trying to understand if "never been so sure than today" is wrong or not... (I think it is).
     
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  2. rawool

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    "I have never been so sure." Does it really make a difference to say today? :confused:
     
  3. moestavern19

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    I've never been so sure as I have today.

    sounds awkward.


    I've never been as sure as I am today.


    better.
     
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  4. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

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    People often wonder why we don't have an official language in America. The reason is simple. Americans can't properly speak a single language.
     
  5. Ottomaton

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    So/wie is a German thing.

    The normal way that I would say it would be, "I've never been more sure than today" or "I've never been as sure as today."

    I only started saying so/as after studying German. I don't know if it is technically wrong in English, but I wouldn't describe it as normal.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    I would also say as...as, but what do you think about "I have never been so sure than I am today" (I am referring to this thread)? Not sure if my attempt at an explanation I have given there goes in the right direction, but it just strikes me as wrong.
     
  7. Amber Lamps

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    This.
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    As a sidenote, why does one say "more sure" instead of "surer" (this word exists as well, doesn't it?). I would also say "more sure" instead of "surer", but I don't really know why.
     
  9. RoxSqaud

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    Swoly is about to show up with his cape on.
     
  10. Mr. Clutch

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    Never have I been so sure that there's never been a worse poll in BBS history.
     
  11. AroundTheWorld

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    Why do you think that?
     
  12. KingCheetah

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    Ich habe noch nie so sicher gewesen als heute.
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

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    That sentence was about as correct as the one by that NY columnist ;).

    (The correct sentence would be "Ich bin noch nie so sicher gewesen wie heute")
     
  14. Ottomaton

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    "so" in that context roughly use used to describe equality between two objects.

    To quote the dictionary, "than" is... "used as a function word to indicate the second member or the member taken as the point of departure in a comparison expressive of inequality"

    Therefore one defines equality, while the other is used to indicate inequality.

    Thinking a bit more deeply about it, am confidant that "so"/"than" as in your example is flat out wrong. I think in the linked story that the phrase "that he's going to stay in Cleveland" between the two words maybe obscures the linkage a bit such that I might read it but not see the problem offhand, but is just as equally wrong.
     
  15. AroundTheWorld

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    Thank you Ottomaton, that is exactly how I see it, which is why I was surprised that two people in that thread disagreed with me.
     
  16. BrieflySpeaking

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    both sound awkward. I would use "Ive never been as sure"
     
  17. DudeWah

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    English is anything but a simple language. I would say that it's the most unnecessarily complicated language there is....
     
  18. Mr. Brightside

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    I've never heard either phrase really used before.

    I have heard, "I have never been so sure as right now."
     
  19. Mr. Brightside

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    I agree.


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  20. justtxyank

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    I won't argue whether it is simple or not, but I will say that the complexity of it is not the reason Americans can't speak it properly.
     

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