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What has led to McGrady's decline?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by TheGreat, Apr 10, 2010.

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Which most likely caused his sudden decline?

  1. Training Techniques

    9 vote(s)
    2.3%
  2. Knee injury

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    46.0%
  3. Work Ethic

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    37.8%
  4. Bad rehab

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    6.4%
  5. Other (Post what you think)

    29 vote(s)
    7.5%
  1. RV6

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    Well technically he did rehab. i think he fooled himself into thinking the rehab was working, when it wasnt. That's where the mistake was. He kept doing it and claiming he was back when it wasnt working. Eventually he gave in and realized he'd be better off having surgery.

    It's a gamble...some players comeback from it fine, some dont. If rehab isn't fixing the problem and i'm assuming that was the case, then yeah i think you have to go with surgery and hope it works out.
     
  2. BEAT LA

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    He didn't take a pay cut if he was promised money under the table and never received it. You said he puts winning first, well, he seems to care about that money more than anything. Barkley did receive some money under the table that year, just not from the Rockets.

    What's wrong with that? Kobe had some bad times with the Lakers, and if he did get traded I'm sure he would have said the same exact thing (especially if he ended up like T-Mac). I'm sure Barkley wishes he stayed with the Sixers AFTER HE DEMANDED A TRADE OUT OF PHILADELPHIA.

    tinman, you can be a hypocrite at times.
     
  3. devin23

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    Replace knee injury with knee surgery. He wasn't really injured, he was just a wuss who couldn't play through the pain from the anthroscopic surgery the prior year. He chose to have an unnecessary microscopic surgery which pretty much ruined his career.
     
  4. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    No, it's Phoenix. Barkley is still a big part of the community in Phoenix, as well as Atlanta.

    As for your payment under the table comment, I have no idea what you're talking about...
     
  5. zilches

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    I really hadn't noticed any line drives, but you might be right. I'll take a closer look. His form and shot mechanics appear fine. I just don't know how he lost his shooting ability. It makes me wonder if he was just a volume shooter during his better years and never shot all that well.
     
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    HAHA that was their "above the rim" replay for the night??

    wow
     
  7. tinman

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    when did he say that?

    Tmac's mouth has been quoted recently saying he'd wish he'd stayed with Orlando.

    Nah, I'm just staying true to Clutchfans and the Rockets.
     
  8. Dei

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    This was coming for a long time. He was constantly out of shape and uncoachable, among other things. The knee injury only quickened the process.
     
  9. orbb

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    Unfortunately, self awareness is not mcgrady's strength.
     
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    Here is the thing, was the bloke really uncoachable?

    JVG from all reports still loves the bloke like nothing and his one of the most hardest to please coaches around. I think its a specific Adelman thing in a way.
     
  11. RV6

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    spoken like someone who probably has never done any kind of training. Having surgery wasnt taking the easy way out. There was no easy way out. One option was enduring pain and discomfort...the other was enduring discomfort, but starting all over again. If anything he took the harder option, but both were difficult roads.
     
  12. T.Mcgrady

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    Injuries. What kind of question is this?
     
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    the knee....pretty clear
     
  14. RV6

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    That's what he's always been, well his succesful years, a volume shooter. He's never been a shooter really. His 3pt % was ok, but nothing exceptional, it's just over 30%. He also has never been an exceptional FT shooter, he's rarely been close to 80% and has been in the mid to lower 70s most of his career. FG % was decent , but he obviously got a lot of dunks and layups, which make that look better. Basically he's not getting as many easy shots now and he's lost the hang time, which enabled him to get away or higher than the defender.
     
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    MFS is a high risk no guarantee surgery better suited for younger athletes on the upswing of their career, younger athletes with greater chance of regenerating worn tissues. Aside from the looong rehab, something older players with their dwindling prime years cannot afford. The MFS cost t-mac and the rockets one and a half seasons, reason why the rockets were against the procedure in the first place, and pissed of that t-mac still went through it even without prior consultation. T-mac can possibly but not probably have a perfectly healthy knee next season, but the rest of his body will still be two seasons older. Father time will eventually take his toll, the reason why Mark Spitz decided against a comeback at 27.
     
  16. TheGreat

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    It seems like his knee is really screwing him up. I think he looks worse this year then last year but now he's without a limp.

    Will his knee get better?

    He needs to work on that knee badly this off-season.
     
  17. TheGreat

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    Do you think he even needed surgery if he shut it down the same year Yao shut it down during the winning streak?

    I think that's what really screwed him. The 22 win streak was great but if we had to shut him down to deny surgery, maybe he wouldn't be like this...
     
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    Barkley demanded a trade out of Philadelphia after the Sixers failed to make the postseason with a 35–47 record.

    Phoenix, same thing. He wishes he never left them. It doesn't make a difference if it's his original team or his second team.
     
  19. Shroopy2

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    Agree on winning helping image. But the question is what has led to McGrady's physical decline. Whether he's won 5 straight titles or had 5 straight losing seasons, that question has little to nothing to do with on-court sucess.

    Instead of the dentist analogy, lets use the generic car analogy instead. If you only have 1 car and you're racing it and off-roading with it - If you keep skipping the scheduled checkups and oil changes, when the car breaks down and you cant get to work, yeah you can tell your boss the car wasnt built to last but really you have no one to blame but yourself.
     
  20. Dei

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    The thing with JVG was that he wasn't a players' coach when he was here. JVG had double-standards with McGrady. He centered the offense around an in-out game involving McGrady driving in and dishing to either Yao or a perimeter shooter. Early on, circa 04-05 and for the early part of 05-06, this was understandable since Tracy was playing like a superstar.

    When, Tracy started to sag in 06-07, JVG still had everybody waiting for Tracy to pass them the ball, cleaning up after Tracy's failed attempts and other dirty work. Spanoulis who was only here that season voiced this exact problem. Of course, this was early on in Tracy's decline. I couldn't blame Van Gundy for waiting for Tracy to get back to his 04-05 form. We also only got Scola and Landry the following season,( and had them producing only late into it,) when Rick was already in charge.

    It would've been interesting to see what course of action JVG would've taken if he had today's Tracy or a roster as loaded with young talent as we do now.
     

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