I know there have been dozens of threads about Ming's #'s next year, and there have been a lot of people saying he will be a bust. But what does the NBA consider a "bust"? 1st year #'s of previous 1st picks: K. Brown-4.5ppg 3.5rpg .46bpg .8apg K. Martin-12ppg 7.0rpg 1.66bpg 1.9apg E. Brand-20ppg 10rpg 1.63bpg 1.9apg M. Kandi-8.9ppg 7.9rpg 1.22bpg .6agg The numbers flucutuate like hell, but I wonder what #'s Ming will have to put up to not be considered a "bust". It seems like Ming will have to put up "Brand" like #'s not to be one though, and that if he puts up "Martin" #'s, they will bash him. I will be happy if Ming can put up 12,7,3. But it seems the NBA will expect a lot more. What #'s do ya'll think the NBA considers a "bust"?
A bust is a player that is drafted very high with huge expectations and turns out to be crap. or from dictionary.com A failure; a flop With players now-a-days they need to be judged several years down the line. Kwame should not be labled a bust by anyone yet. I would say that Kandi is a semi-bust and the same with Kenyon Martin. True bust are Sam Bowie, Joe Smith, Pervis Ellison.... the list goes on.
I don't care about the numbers for his first year too much, as long as he shows flashes of his potential. I don't think Griff's numbers were all that great, but he showed he has a future with some stellar play in stretches. Kwame may still have a bright future, but he didn't really show it last year, numbers or otherwise.
We can't expect too much from Ming. Nothing like Elton Brand numbers, definitely. As we've ben told, he will struggle with his stamina. Even if he doesn't, he won't be getting too many minutes. Wht we should hope for this year is that he learns how to use his fouls, learns how to use his body (height and lower body), learns English, and he gets comfortable with our team. Those are the basics we really need. Then after this year, we can expect to see bigger numbers. But still not Elton Brand numbers. We have too many scorers, so it will be tough for us to have a 3rd 20ppg scorer.
The old axiom back in the day when everybody had 4 years of college was that you had to wait 3 years before you could declare a pick a bust.
I think in regards to Yao, I'll be happy if he's noticably better at the end of the year then he was at the begining. I don't expect him to come in and dominate, but I do expect him to steadily grow.
Are you kidding me? His #s are a bit skewed because of his "temper". Kenyon Martin is far from a bust, he was just the best player in a horrible, horrible draft class.
Sane in his third season with the Rox do you expect Yao to be the offensive leader or do you still see him not getting the ball?
I think what we saw with EG we are going to see the same with Yoa. Last season I thought EG should be starting, just like Francis did in his first year. My philosphy to a rookie is let him learn himself. The only way you can do tha t is let him play a lot. But I dont think that Rudy will start Yoa at begging, but I would be surpised if he didnt start starting by the all star break. I also think that Yoa will be our thrid leading scorer behind Francis and Griffin. I think by his season Mobely scoring would decrease due to all the talent around him. The future for the houston Rockets looksvery very bright with Yoa on our team. VC15
Yetti, I don't expect anyone to become the offensive force on our team. All 5 of our starters will be offensively very capable, and we will be able to run a very balanced attack. Ming Griffin Boki Mobley Francis They are all potentially dominant scorers, but we don't need them to dominate as long as we dominate as a team.
Hmm... I take it your not a Yao Ming fan. If your not a Yao Ming fan, you must not be a Rockets fan either. BTW, I don't see how he could be a bust and Jay Williams ROY,(or any other rookie for that matter.) considering they've yet to play a game.
lol, I think AC's just miffed at all of the posters typing in Yoa instead of Yao, that's all. I've almost posted on this before, as the Yao misspellings have been bothering me for a while too. Am I right, AC? Back on topic, Ming - after 3 years, he should be up to Rik Smits level, but we will have to be patient. A great long-term investment. K Martin - not a bust, looks like he's turning the corner. K Brown - wager he will be the Kandiman - I'd sure like to put the tag on him, but with the lame centers we have these days, it's not clear.
Hmmm... Hard to tell with Yao. I don't really have any precise #'s I'd like to see him have... but I do want to see that he's capable. I want him to hit the 3 and to have some type of post game. I want him to not be totally overmatched on defense. And I want him to show shot-blocking and rebounding instincts.
Skewed or not you want more out of a #1 pick overall than 15 pts and 5 rbs. Hell, even MoT can get more rebounds than that! Whenever you use the #1 pick in the draft you need to get a star out of it not just a solid PF. So I still consider him a semi-bust until he proves otherwise.
Another part of it is the "Kidd" effect. Yes, Marion had great rebounding numbers with Kidd on his team, but the Nets had 4 good rebounders on their starting 5 last year, something's got to give. (For proof of this, look at Martin's numbers without the "Kidd" effect in his rookie year)
Recall Bender, McGrady, J. Oneal.....there were guys drafted out of highschool that everyone forgot about for a couple years...then they hit their stride....Brown is of that cut. He was taken number one as a athletic project at the time...If in 2-3 years he is not putting up above average numbers for his position, I would say he is a bust. But, we have to be careful in labeling so early. IMHO, there are 2 conditions in order for Ming not to be a bust one of the following must happen: 1) Regardless of statistics......he helps the Rockets win at least one championship during his career (very subjective, but if he is playing consistently and they win it, then he helped) 2) He averages in the top 5 for centers in the league in scoring and rebounding If any of the two listed above happens, he is not a bust!
I believe that a bust is someone who never realizes his potential. Most times a player becomes a bust because he doesn't work hard enough to improve his game or doesn't have the potential at all. Ming has the potential, and if he works on his game, he will not be a bust. We can not claim someone to be a bust by his numbers in his rookie season.
