I'd take Odom, he seems likie a much better fit to our team. I hope with all the lewis stuff going about we could do a 3 way trade sending mo to seattle, lewis to la and odom to hou. I saw this posted some where else here, and i wanted to bring it out a little more. At the same time, would odom demand as much money as lewis is? i don;t think so. And i'm pretty sure odom will improve his shooting. Lets just say odom has a lot more upside. Lewis is a baby. Odom is a stud.
Although I prefer Odom too, I have to admit he's not a stud, YET. But neither is Lewis. Odom's ceiling is much higher than Lewis'. If Odom learns how to hit a three, then he's already so much better than Lewis. That Odom - Lewis - Mo (we can't though) trade has a good base. I think I'll work on it and see what I can get.
Out of those two, I'd probably pick Odom. A few weeks ago, I'd probably pick Rashard, but lately my thinking has changed. He worries me because if we did get him, our future "stars" (Griff,Ming,maybe Boki.) would not have much money to get from us. Odom, like Stevie said, seems less likely to demand money so we may be able to keep the team intact. That said, I hope Boki could come out and do a little of what both could offer, while not having problems. (drugs,money,ect.)
Here's what I came up with (basically). It would have to be done after Dec. 15th: Seattle sends: Rashard Lewis Seattle recieves: Kenny Thomas Bostjan Nachbar Jason Collier Terrence Morris Cash from Houston First round pick 2005 (protected) Houston sends: Kenny Thomas Bostjan Nachbar Jason Collier Terrence Morris Cash to Seattle 2005 protected first roudner Houston recieves: Lamar Odom Sean Rooks Clippers second round pick 2003 LA sends: Lamar Odom Sean Rooks Second round pick 2003 LA recieves: Rashard Lewis I like this deal. Seattle basically begins rebuilding with a splash of young talent, and a draft pick. Thomas, Nachbar, and Morris are SOLID young players. Throw in a first rounder, that's 4 young players to rebuild with. I think that's more than compensation for Lewis. You can argue that just Boki is even enough for Lewis. But let's keep it at this. As for the Clippers, they get Lewis, which is perfect for them. He fits perfectly with Andre Miller and Elton Brand's style of play, they will form an incredible trio. We lose quite a bit of depth, but we get pure talent, and we have our starting 5 for years to come. Of course, I haven't considered BYC status, and I've only estimated Lewis' contract. So cap experts, if you could work on this without shifting the balance of the trade.
BTW, there are the line-ups: Clippers: Kandi Brand Lewis Q-Rich Miller Seattle: Booth/james/Drobnjak/Collier Radomanovic/KT/Potapenko Nachbar/Desmond Mason Brent Barry/Desmond Mason Payton/Kenny Anderson *note: Assume Sonics get 2 young player for Payton, and one good player with cap space from Kenny Anderson. Also, add the draft pick we gave them. Houston: Cato/Ming/Rooks MoT/Griffin/Rooks Rice/Odom/Torres Mobley/Torres Francis/mooch/Maddox
Here we go with the Odom lovers again. Words that describe Odom. Injury prone. Failed 5 NBA drug tests. Cannot shoot a free throw. High turnovers. Poor 3pt shooter. No accomplishments. Loves handling the ball, often, which we don't need. I'm sure he and Mo Tay would be great friends. In fact I'm sure he would rub off on other Rockets as well. Good call, smart move.
Odom has made some mistakes but he's got the potential to be one of the best players in the league. He can do absolutely everything on the floor and is versital enough to play 4 positions. If anyone in the NBA could average a triple double, it's him and Jason Kidd.
kevin from sonicscentral? hum,I know you want us to take Lewis,thats why you ALWAYS bash odom. Every gm/player in L would rather have odom except you. maybe Im wrong,nevermind
What has Odom ever done? He is not better than Lewis. If this and if that. The only thing that Odom has done in the NBA that Lewis has not is get in trouble.
Odem has no respect for the league. He only has respect for money ... and not much there either. while I really don't care for either, I feel Lewis would be more apt to play harder since he would be in his hometown.
Sane:- I'm sorry but you are IN sane. Why would the Rox trade Nachbar, who will be a perfect ROLE player at Small Forward , for a player who is not the type of person wanted by the Rox. Odom is a point forward, which we dont need as we have a first class point Guard Steve Francis and backups. RT & CD went to a lot of trouble to get Nachbar, they wont give him up for a player like Odom.If we got Odom it could spell the end of Steve Francis because the ball would mostly go between Francis,Odom and Mobley,Yao would hardly see the ball. There would be hell to pay and Francis would get the blame and the Rox would be in Turmoil.
Neither, but if I HAD to take one it would be Lewis, no question about it. Don't need another ball handler without a shot, with minimal defensive skills.
I would take Odom. The guy is one of the most talented players in the league. I really don't care about the drug suspensions. He is young and is prone to make mistakes. You guys often forget that Hakeem used to get in fights when he was young but than grew out of it as he matured. I think that Odom's last suspension will be his last because if he gets cought again he will be like Isiah Rider-out of this league.
They are the same size at 6-10 and around 220, Odom is younger by a few months. In terms of talent I believe Lewis is much more talented in shooting and the perimeter game as Odom is more of a inside player that likes to post up. They both are good rebounders but in terms of defense I'd say Odom is better as his stats in blocks and steals are higher. Vision definitely belongs to Odom as there are few that can pass like him and handle as well. Lewis is much more stable on the court and less likely to play out of control as Odom. Health wise Odom is coming back from injury. Also off court issues are a problem with Odom (but I wouldn't say a serious problem). I'd take Odom. Only becuase I have seen him play at least 100 times or so. What I really like about him is that he wants to win! Yes I mean this, when he's on the court I can see his desire to win. When the clippers are loosing badly he gets upset, he actually believes that his team should be close or win. Many times I have seen him angry because his team is loosing, he will start slam dunking the ball like it was a nail and he was a hammer (in a way sending a message saying I'm still going to play hard), he goes out there and actually tell his teamates to switch with him so he can defend the guy who's scoring the most points whether it be a PG or SG or PF (with the exception of the C position). He wants to shut them down. I've seen him guard almost anyone from Kobe to Wallace and even our very own Francis for numerous mins in a game. He's not about stats which many mistaken for desire to win. He's not a shooter which we know but he's not a scorer either. To me if anything Odom is more of a passer(pass first shoot second). He plays much like a tall PG or Point F (dare I say) Pippen but he gets tons of turnovers because he does too many fancy passes such as behind the back and alley opps that go out of bounce(also much of it goes to Olowokandi who just drops it out of bounce). Odom only scored 17pts per game bacause he had too IMO his first two seasons. But when Brand came he let brand take over and looked to score less but pass more which is why his assist jumped up to 6 per game. Time and time again his coach as well as his teamates have said on TV that he's unselfish and he really just wants to win games. In fact when the Clippers traded for Brand Odom said that he wanted do other things than score to help now that a true scorer was on the team. When the Clippers asked him if he would want brand he was estactic. He likes his team and his teamates all like him and that is important to show that he's not all about himself and or that he's conceded. When he was suspended many of his teamates wrote his number on their shoes or in their headbands to show they miss him. My personal feelings is that Odom is more of a team player than Lewis but then again I rarely get to see Lewis play but from what I have heard I think I once remember someone saying that he said he wants to be the star of the team whichever team it would be that he was on and that to me does not sound like a teamplayer but a selfish player. Right now I don't think the Rockets really need another SF as I think they are adequate with Boki and Rice and TRock since how much can the starting SF do when we have Franchise, Cat, Griffin and Ming on the court but I think I remember once that Mobley and Francis were hoping that the rockets trade for Odom before the draft.
OK I'm sold. My vote is for Odom. I felt that way before reading LA's psot, but I am glad to hear from somebody who has actually seen him repeatedly. Sound like his skills and temperment fit us well. Rashard's outside shooting also fits in well, but I ma concerned that he will never be happy.
