Walsh Traded Picks After Receiving Inside Information On Free-Agency?

Just +1 on your signature. Agree

 

At the very worst, in exchange for eating a the $7 mil remaining on Jeffries' contract, the Rockets got Jordan Hill (who has shown a few things) plus a low-ish 1st rounder. I don't think it's a bad haul considering what teams get for eating salaries these days. The fact that there is a significant better case scenario makes this a good deal. Morey thinks about these things probabilistically: he's buying, in part, a dice roll for high picks. If that chance doesn't materialize in the end, oh well. This is, after all, a guy who spent millions buying 2nd round picks knowing full well there is a high rate of failure for these guys.

Morey did well in leveraging the facts that (a) there are few teams willing to take on money for next sesson, and (b) no other team, particularly Eastern teams and teams whose FA Knicks may be after, really want to help out the Knicks by taking on money.

 

Morey had to include a third team, so the trade could work, If Walsh knew something, why they needed it another team, why not making a trade only with the rockets?

And what info could he have? the NBA cant order a player to sign with a team just because it would be good for them.

 

The more I do numbers the more it looks like the Knicks will not be able to sign to high end Max guys. Or at least not Lebron and Wade or Lebron and Bosh. Maybe a Bosh and Johnson.

They probably will not pick up Eddy Curry's contract option. So this would leave them about $78M to play with. If they want to keep Lee then they will have to pay him more then his $7M he got this year. He is worth more then this on the market. He would get $12-15M a year with another team. Not to mention trying to pickup Harrington who made $10M this year. So if they pick him up that leaves $66 M for 2 max guys and they would need to pickup 6 more role players to fill the roster. Lebron will get $28-30 M next year. The numbers don't work to me.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

 

it's a player's option, which im sure eddy curry will exercise. their plan with Curry is to trade him during the 2011 season as an expiring contract since no one wants to absorb his contract right now. also, they need to renounce their rights to their players with ending contracts so they can sign 2 max guys. Lee's gonna go if NY gets their 2 max players.

if they can get bosh outright via free agency signing, lee is gone. another backup plan of theirs is package lee and do an SnT with him for bosh. if they cant get bosh, they might just extend Lee.

but all of this is dependent on the fact that they can get lebron or wade to commit to NY. if it happens, bosh is sure to follow.

the same for Joe Johnson, he said that he's only willing to go to NY if lebron were there. so it'll take a lot of maneuvering on walsh's part to get either LBJ or Wade. if not, Bosh and JJ wont sign with the knicks. same with tmac. if lbj comes to NY, im sure he'd sign for the vet min for at least a yr. if not, he's gonna go to a championship contender.my big guess is that he would be heading to the east most likely to whichever team dwade goes to (miami or chicago).

the rest of the NY roster would probably be filled with minimum players. and i think NY still has the MLE.

 

Where are you getting $78M??? The entire freakin' salary cap isn't going to be more than $53-54M! Curry's contract has a player option that he will definitely exercise, and Walsh has planned on this being the case. The Knicks expect to have, at most, about $33M or so in cap room. And the absolutely maximum salary that any NBA team can pay Lebron James next season is $16.57M (105% of his prior year's salary, since the cap is likely going down).

I understand that not everyone needs to be a salary cap expert to post on this BBS, but please have some grip on reality before posting your "blueprint" for a franchise. It's one thing to say, "I want Team X to get Lebron". It is entirely another thing to map out a team's plans without any clue about how the salary cap works. Not even a vague idea.

Sigh.

 

Did I was I was an expert. Nope. And look at the link they are already spending $85M this year as is Cleveland. So they will be sending that much next year I would bet if they get their max guys.

 

Nobody says you need to be an expert, or that you claimed to be an expert. The very modest and valid point made by BimaThug is that people should have some BASIC understanding of salary before trying to discuss how much teams can/will spend next year.

Of course, you have the right to rely strictly on fantasies such as a team dipping below salary cap can spend up to $85 MM because they did so last season. But reliance on such fantasies decreases the quality of discussion in here, and, more important, the level of fun for the rest of us armchair GMs. As a result, you'll find people responding to you in a negative way, which may or may not make the discussions be much fun to you, you can decide for yourself.

 

we need a GIANT freakin sticky that explains the knicks salary cap situation in this forum.

 

Yeah there are too many random idiots, who don't have a clue about it.

 

i wish i still had my random idiot tag. i enjoyed it.

 

The cap is being reduced thus what they spend this year will be reduced next year.

 

My feelings on the Knicks is that if they do not sign 2 max free agents, that is 2 of Lebron, Wade, Bosh, or Johnson, that they will try to sign at least one and then look for an imbalanced trade to get another prime talent to add to somebody like Johnson.

For instance............Steve Nash. If Amare opts out and goes to Miami or somewhere else, then it is over in Phoenix. They would be well served to trade Nash to the Knicks in an imbalanced trade just to get rid of the salary. They could send Nash and possibly Barbosa to the Knicks and take back not much of anything, perhaps Sergio. Phoenix gets expirings and gets to go to the lottery and start over. Could happen if they continue to have financial trouble and Nash wants out.

Another possibility: Darren Collison and Stojakovic to New York for a Knicks second round pick. This saves New Orleans $15 million, gives the Knicks a good, young point, and Peja takes up the cap space they couldn't give away to a premier free agent.

Another possibility would be if the Knicks didn't sign anybody, for a team like Indiana to send them Danny Granger and either Murphy, or Dunleavy for essentially NOTHING. Straight salary dump for Indiana if they get into financial trouble. I wouldn't be surprised if this type of deal actually materialized simply because Walsh is so familiar with what is going on in Indiana. He may know they are strapped out and are going to have to dump and start over. Knicks pick up a big time player in Granger and an expiring to go along with Curry's expiring to either trade for another superstar or live to play again in free agency in 2011.

Gilbert Arenas is a big risk, and Washington is in the East, but I would bet Washington would consider doing a straight dump of his contract to the Knicks. I think it would depend on whether Walsh wanted him or not. Probably not.

Would the Clippers be willing to give up their lottery pick if they could get the Knicks to take on Baron Davis? Davis would fit in good with D'Antoni's run and gun. Don't know if the Knicks would do that.


Bottom line:

I suspect the Knicks are going to acquire a superstar through an imbalanced trade.

 

^^ but why the suns would choose the knicks, if they want to get rid of nash, I bet a lot of teams would make a trade with the suns, especially if they get nash, and give almost nothing.
Like the rockets give Armstrong and Taylor for example.
why washington would ask first to the knicks if they want arenas or not?

 

That's the point, if they receive nothing PHX can cut their salary immediately. For example if Houston offers Armstrong, Jeffries and Taylor for Nash, then that means PHW would still have to pay Jeffries. Armstrong and Taylor's salary for the year. Remember if a team is over the cap he should a similar amount back, so if they trade Nash and Barbosa to a team other than NY they will receive a similar amount back.