DD, its a mle contract for a 24 yr old contributer on a championship team. You make it seem like those contracts are hard to move. Those contracts and given his age and contributions are very easy to move. Even if the rox have to start, he's young enough to be part of the rebuild. I think thats part of the reason they signed him. I think everyone is tradeable and a team might give the rockets more for trevor because of his age vs battier. This is what happen with landry.From what i heard, scola was offered first and the kings said no thanks. If you give any team the choice, they will take ariza over shane. Shane value is in the same boat as tracy's was. Teams are trading for his contract moreso than for the player.
What is going on with all these nasty injuries ?! Everybody..everyone has been injured! Jordan hill was getting some confidence too.
Where did you "hear" that? And look at this more objectively. It's the NBA. It's a business too. There's all-stars being traded for contracts more than their play. There's young players being traded more for their contracts than their play. It happens all the time. Different teams are in different situations and therefore make different decisions and evaluations. The rockets may not care battier is making 7 mill one year and may think it's not worth it the next. One team may think he's just an expiring and another may think he's the guy who brings the skills and play they need. That's far from being a guy whos coming back from a potentially career ending surgery and clearly has already lost much of his vertical game, which was a signfiicant part of why he was succesful.
rv6, u know i cant give up my sources :grin:. I know your feelings for shane, but right now, he's just a contract. Just as bruce bowen was his last yr, thats his contribution to a team. He's a 25 minute a night guy coming off the bench. If trevor and shane were the options to choose from, those championship teams would take trevor. Part of it is the age/upside factor, but you cant discount trevor performing on a championship team. You cant discount the big steals, the 13 pts in the 3rd qt of a pivotal playoff game, and the way he played on the road in the finals. Now its easy to say sub shane in for trevor and they still will. I would to see proof showing when shane has done anything on the road in the playoffs.
has nothing to do with how i supposedly feel about shane. Was Pau gasol jsut a contract when he was traded? Yes. When a team is thinking purely in a financial context then any player, at any age, at just about any talent can be considered just a contract. I'm not denying acquiring battier is no longer as attractive as it may have been years ago, but he's also not in the situation tmac was in. I'm not discounting anything trevor has done, i didnt even mention him in my reply.
MLE contracts WERE easy to move, but with the CBA looking to go down by a lot, I suspect the current MLE types of contracts will be a lot more expensive overall when weighed against a declining cap. DD
rv6, so are you comparing a in his prime,7ft,highly skilled,all star who was 27 at the time to shane? You can do better than that. DD, as long as the 25% rule is in effect, mle contracts are still easy to move. There will always be teams over the lt and will go get a 6m player. You're talking about 4m in contracts low end and close to 8 high end. If this whole apocolyptic scerio you keep screaming about were true, why are u on the forefront of signing scola for 8m per? All the so called pundits are saying 8m is like a max player. Its like every thing else in this economy, it will level off. 2 summers ago,it cost me $2400 per week to fillup my rigs when the diesel was $4.50 a gallon, now its half that at 2.70 a gallon. 3 yrs ago, it was costing me less than $800 per week. The salary cap will shrink, but like all business, the nba will open another global revenue stream.
c'mon, my point can't be that hard to understand, can it? I'm not comparing battier to ariza or battier to gasol, or even to tmac. You're the one who's doing that. I simply said that just because you think battier sucks and is just a contract doesnt mean the rest of the nba shares your view. I also said being "just a contract" doesnt necessarily mean you can't play because gasol was a prime example of someone who could, yet was just a contract to Memphis. I'm not comparing their talent or age. I'm simply explaining how the NBA isn't just a sport, but also a business. Therefore decisions dont always depend purely on basketball. It can depend on money, or both. You can't seem to get that, which is part of why you'll never fully understand the deal that brought battier and got rid of Swift.
Rv6, swift was traded like 3 times after the rockets traded him. Thats why i maintain, mle contracts are easy to trade. Even if the guy isn't a good player, people find it easy to get to 4m or 7.25m worth of contracts. Just as i've told DD, if ariza turns out to be a bum, which he isnt, his contract is easy to move. Swift getting traded multiple times justifies that. What kind of business you're hnting at pertaining to swift for battier i will never know.
I think you got it backwards. The Lakers were trading away Kwame Brown's expiring for Gasol. Gasol's contract was not attractive in financial terms, but was worth it basketball wise.
Yes, the contract is easy to trade, if you give up the 8th pick. Rockets got rid of Rudy Gay(8th) to get rid of Swift. Knicks got rid of Hill(8th), 2011 draft swap, and their 2012 draft pick to get rid of Jeffries. Getting rid of lottery picks is costly. Rockets ended up with your no-stats all-star.
Trevor and Shane are complementary to each other on a team with Yao. Both are highly valued role players, I wouldn't trade any of them if it's not for an all-star. Very important players for a contender caliber team.
No i dont have it backwards, there's just two sides to a deal. You're looking at it from the lakers' perspective and I was refering to Memphis' perspective. To memphis, they werent thinking "we're trading away Gasol the all-star", it was "we're trading a big contract". That's why it was so lopsided in terms of talent at the time. They werent thinking about making a basketball and talent move, but a financial one. Actually he was only ONCE after Houston traded him and once again you're only looking at it from a basketball point of view. financially, it becomes easier to take back a MLE contract the less years the contract has left. Sift's MLE contract at year one isn't the same as the contract in year 3 or year 4. Houston traded swift only after one year, 3 years left on his contract. That's why it wasnt easy to move for them. Swift wasnt traded again until 2008 toward the end of his 3rd year into the contract. Obviously then it would be much easier to get a team to commit to to his contract at that point, which has just over a year left. After that he kept getting released and picked up, released and picked, which is probably why you thought he kept getting traded. That should give you an idea of how much of a mistake it was to give him that contract in the first place and why it was so important for houston to get rid of him with 3 yrs left on his contract. Not to mention his salary increased every year, so the earlier you can get out of it the better. Once again, plenty proof and logic there to explain to you why the battier trade was justified, but like you said, you'll just never understand (know).
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Taking into consideration that we are currently sucking, he will probably be out the rest of the season.
I just heard from an inside source that Battier is probably out for the rest of the season. It is an MCL sprain. No tears, no surgery.
now that our playoffs hopes are just about over, we do not have to play players that are injured, let them rest, heal and recover we need them to be ready for the roster moves in the offseason, i doubt we will see battier here next season
What are you talking about? I said that trading Trevor's contract is not going to be easy, like Leeb said it was... Not sure what you are implying, or rather misreading. And if you could search on the day of the trade, I was one of the VERY few who loved the Battier for Gay trade... DD
