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15 games - 5 back - Rick, please develop !

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Mar 19, 2010.

  1. larsv8

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    If Trevor is playing 35+ we are losing a ton of games. He is 22-26 minute player.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Great then bump Chase up to 36 then...lol.....and BTW...I agree with you.

    I don't know if you realize it but the Battriza combo are both shooting under 40% for the year...YUCK !

    BTW - clearly Adelman and Morey read my posts, because Chase was in very early today....

    They know good advice when they read it.....

    ;)


    DD
     
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  3. larsv8

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    Battier is underated offensive player - according to my quick math he shoots 46% on 2s and 37% on 3s

    He is under 40% because 60+% of his shots are 3 pointers. Should be something like Martin - 32 min, Battier/Ariza - 25 min, Budinger - 20.

    I really like the 3 wing lineup, specifically the one they used today.
     
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    He is playing 37 minutes a game and we are 32-27 when he plays. I wouldn't consider a +.500 team as losing a ton of games.
     
  5. rhino17

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    32-27 is not a playoff team

    If he is playing that much, it is not a good thing
     
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    Keep playing the season out and see where it ends. Can't stop and start thinking about next season when this season is still not over. Continue with the play of late see where it ends. Spurs and Blazers will lose 35 games each, the more I see their schedules. Go Rockets!!!
     
  7. RV6

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    let's keep in mind bud isnt too far from trevor and shane's shooting percentages. We're talking about a 2% different in FG and battier is actually shooting slightly better from 3pt range than budinger. Budinger and battier are both significantly better FT shooters, but again, separated by about 1-2%.

    A lot of the budinger hype this year is due to his dunks, but he's not scoring that much more efficiently, if at all, than the two others, which is what worries me since he's suppose to be much better offensively. Plus, the fact that he gets pulled early when he's cold and plays more when hot makes him look more efficient than he really is.

    Based on those numbers alone none of them really deserves to play more than the others, it would be more logical to say to play them based on how they matchup with opponents.
     
  8. leebigez

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    Battier is not underrated offensively. He's a 1 dimensional offensive player. If he's such a good shooter from inside 2, why not take more 2's? His trend have been the same which is a standstill,jason kapono type without being able to shoot like kapono.
     
  9. RV6

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    i dont think he's underrated offensively, but i do think that his numbers make him look less efficient thant budinger. Consider this, he and bud shoot about the same percentage. They both shoot standstill 3s, just from different areas. While bud may have more dunks and breakaway layups as his FGs, shane's are hook shots and put backs. However, battier shoots a lot more bail out shots in one game than budinger probably does in a week, yet they have similar percentages. I think that's what a lot of fans aren't seeing, but the coaching staff does. For all of his nba jam dunks and acrobatic layups, he's not producing any more efficiently than battier and not more enough than ariza to overcome his weak defense (compared to ariza's). Which is why he doesnt get more PT than those two.
     
  10. larsv8

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    wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

    Shane is exceptional at passing and cutting. He is mediocre at shooting, posting up and driving. He is terrible at taking some one off the dribble and dunking.

    A one dimensional offensive player is someone like Corey Maggette who has one off the dribble move, but cant pass, shoot, back door cut, or post up.

    Dwight Howard is another one dimensional offensive player.

    Because he is mediocre at it, but puts up a good % by only taking those shots when they are either wide open...or only posting up when his defender is much smaller...or cutting when his defender is slow or not paying attention.

    Shane cannot score the ball anywhere, but that doesnt mean he isnt a good offensive player.

    Take my hand Leeb, and I will help you out of the box you can surrounded yourself with.
     
  11. mezla

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    Playing time is one aspect of development. Belief that your team can win is another.

    Maybe RA wants to do as well this season as possible so the entire team gets a confidence boost. Confidence is massively important.

    Not to mention drawing crowds, getting coverage, keeping fans... there are lots of things to consider.
     
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    not sure why you continue to call them redundant. yes both are defensive players who play the 3, but ariza can actually create for others, cut, drive, and run the fast break. battier is aging quickly (first his ankle issues and now the knee and FG% that has declined for 5 straight years :()but he is still a much better on the ball defender and better team defender.

    it is funny how you call out rick for not "developing" when that's what he tried to do all year with ariza and c-bud. he gave hill big minutes pretty quickly too. if anything rick has shown he isn't afraid to play guys and give them a chance to "develop".
     
  13. ElPigto

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    HAH!

    The Rockets were just trying to match up with the knicks otherwise we probably would have seen Jordan first rather than Bud.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    What?

    I didn't say that.

    I said he needs to develop them NOW that the season is over, like as in....a lot more.....

    Sure he has been playing him this year....now with the season over he needs to play them a lot lot more...that was all I was saying.

    DD
     
  15. RV6

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    neither of his injuries have to do with his age...this is similar to others saying a player is declining because he's "injury prone", but it's important to consider what the injuries are and how they happen. Both of these injuries were accidents that happened within the game, could of happened to a rookie, a 35 yr old, or anythign in between
     
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    I was happy to see Chase having a bigger role tonight. He did well. Hope Shane will be back in the next game,but Chase definitely needs more minutes,and I too hope that Rick won't forget him.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    Just play Hillinger more than Battrizayes.

    DD
     
  18. VBG

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    Lol no. Are you crazy? Ariza is a project who's gonna keep improving as well. They've just shown glimpses.

    Go for the playoffs. Hill and Budinger have to earn their playing time. They're doing it now.
     
  19. Depressio

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    Portland and San Antonio lose, Houston wins.

    Keep it up, Rockets!
     
  20. leebigez

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    I don't need you to hold my hand, i need you to see what shane is and thats a 1 dimensional offensive player. He doesn't cut with a purpose, he doesn't run the floor for breaks or in transition. He runs the offense, then goes to the corner. Shane could be alot better offensively or more effecient, but he chooses not to for some reason. I agree he will make the rotational pass just as much as he will try making that same pass when his man isn't even guarding him.

    When getting into this debate with the battier lovers, i like using scola as a point. He isn't the fast, longest,most athletic player on the court, but he makes you guard him. He runs the court almost every play. He gets offensive rebounds,putbacks and general post ups. He always abuses a smaller guy on him in the post. These are things shane could do too, but don't. Maybe its too late in the game to change for shane, but i know bruce bowen added the pump fake, 2 dribble pullup late in his career. I know kobe worked out with dream last summer. There are lots of ways to get better, but it seems battier doesn't want to or is content on doing what he do which is a shame.
     

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