Not fair to Bosh, he doesn't play in the Euroleague and you can't take Scola's accomplishments there and put them on a NBA level. I'm Bosh led his highschool team to a perfect record and championship. Now Highschool ball in the states is nowhere near the level of Euroleague play...and Euroleague play is not comparable to NBA level of play. Otherwise there would be no busts from there, they'd all just make a good transition like a player from La Liga to the EPL... Also I suppose Scola's MVP in a international tourney is something he has over Bosh. Since it is something they both have competed in. Yet still, Bosh is on the same team with Wade, Dwight, CP3, Dwill, Melo, Kobe, and Lebron...kinda hard to win the MVP with that kind of team. It gives these guys less of a chance to win it actually than another player who is the only hope for his team to medal. Also Bosh is 25. It's not like he's failed numerous occasions like Tmac has and while yes he did lead his team to a 3rd seed in the East only to be upset, The guy was like 22 or 21 then. So to me it's like pfft.
It's not a numbers game. Scola has always be on winning teams or teams that had potentials. Scola has proven himself time and time again. After McGrady I don't think we should take on a risk of an allstar talent who hasn't proven to be a leader yet EASILY just to lose one of the hard working players there is. Thing is I agree with posters who say we don't necessarily need a Bosh. OR in other words I am not sure to give him Max. If he signs for 10-12 mill I won't have a problem. Not going to happen though.
That´s why I said he is not the better player (btw I really like Bosh`s game) but what he has reached in his career is undeniable and if I want to win a game I´m not sure who to go with. I don´t like Bosh´s I´m the player the team should be built around attitude because team should always be first and he should look what he is able to give the team (like Scola who btw. never used the word I after his 44 points). Also don`t underrate basketball outside the US (there are also some players who had little success in EU and are now good NBA players). It´s just quite a different game.
Well the problem here is youth. IMHO Scola at his best (which is what he have right now) is just as good as Bosh. I mean, 20 of 25? Folks you can't ask for a better statline than that. However keeping Scola means living under the Yao Ming time frame (~3-4 years). Bosh can give you double that years of production, albeit at a much higher cost. However getting him means we keep rolling with Bosh, Brooks, Kevin Martin and Lowry, while if we kept Scola in 3 years we would be like the Pistons: deep in perimeter talent but sucky low post players. I'd rather have a sustained era of excellence rather than be like the Celtics and have one (2?) glorious years then end up afterthoughts.
I can't imagine trading Luis away. Of course, that's what I said about Carl. Still, there aren't any other PFs in the NBA anything like Luis. He's a Clydesdale that runs like a Greyhound--tirelessly, every possession, all game long. His hustle makes Ryan Bowen look lazy. The really special thing about him: he enjoys doing it.
Your point is fine tho I have to wonder if you really expect this, or any, roster to stay intact, as is, year on year on year. The Pistons' run is unprecedented in modern sports. The Lakes keep morphing. The C's blew their chance, if indeed they had it, to swap Ray Allen for Martin/Nocioni. The Cavs keep trying to get their mix right. Getting Bosh is not 'just' losing Scola. Other pieces also go. Battier? Brooks? Ariza? Draft pick(s)? Losing Scola is not just adding Bosh. It's losing a synergistic piece who works well on and off the Rox hardwood. This group needs Yao. And a back-up 4/5 ala JO'Neal. Melo would be a nice add, too.
Even if we can trade Scola for LBJ, the day when Scola leaves the Rocket, it will be a sad day. I am sure I'll follow Scola till he retire...
But you guys are saying it's a team game yet ignoring that Bosh has not had other all-stars on his team. The team's last all-star player other than Bosh is Vince Carter. So you are penalizing Bosh for not winning on a good team basically. Saying he cannot win and all great players need help. What has Wade done without Shaq? What were the Mavericks just a year ago? What was Kobe without Pau? Right off the top of my head, not many players do much without at least another all-star talent to help alongside of him. Hakeem and Lebron are the only two that immediately spring to mind. Really I think it's unfair to him. Admittedly this is the best team he has ever been on this year with the growth of Bargnani and the add of Hedo. But pfft, in todays NBA the current Elite contenders have 3 all-star capable players, and hell some of them even have them sitting on the bench. Honestly say we take out Brooks and Scola. Okay still we have Lowry, Martin, Ariza,Bosh, Yao. 3 guys on a team that are all-star capable players. This is what is needed in the NBA today. We are trying to beat teams like the Lakers, Mavs, Nuggets. Look at their rosters, now just add Yao to our current roster...do you think we are Contenders? Honestly? Pau better than Scola Nene equal to Scola Dirk better than Scola Boozer equal to Scola We're not even counting Lamarcus and his team who probably would be right up there with those teams if it weren't for all their injuries. Adding Bosh we would have arguably THE BEST PF in the West AND the best Center in the West hands down (....if Yao can return back to form...) and what if all we have to give up is Scola, some filler contract like Jeffries, and a future draft pick. Then not only would we have one of if not the best frontcourt in the NBA but the best backcourt also. You can't make trades based on "But the chemistry! It will not work!" I can understand if you are talking about breaking up a team like the Lakers. There were some rumors that the Lakers would trade Bynum for Bosh...but then again the Lakers are the best team in the west and the defending champions. The Rockets coming off a 2nd round elimination (which is nothing to celebrate...) and are a couple of games out of the playoffs. Do you think the Lakers worried about Chemistry when they got Gasol? You think the Nuggets worried about Chemistry when they got Billups? There were chemistry concerns with Artest and lo and behold he help this team reach the 2nd round. So all of you 'Can't ruin chemistry guys' out there i'm guessing you wouldn't trade Battier for Lebron or Brooks for Deron Williams because of Chemistry? I'm sorry i'm ranting here i just don't see the downside of adding a 25 year old player like Bosh. People bring up how Tmac never got out of the first round but forget Tmac is a extremely rare case. Also i'd rather have a team with 'broke chemistry' that at least reaches the finals than a team that plays well togehter but has no shot at winning the trophy at the end.
You guys all forget that if we get Bosh, we will have INSURANCE at the Center position where Yao (as we all know) has a rich history of being injured. I love Scola and all, but if Yao goes down, Scola will not be sufficient at the Center position and our season of contending for a championship is basically over. Scola provides the heart, hustle, and craftiness which is very much appreciated. However, when you have a chance to bring in a PF/C, who has a variety of offensive moves much like Scola (not to mention only 25), is taller, and more athletic...you cannot pass that up. Everybody wants to talk about Bosh not having "toughness" , whatever your definition of that may be. All i know is that this guy averages 10-11 rpg and a blocked shot per game, I can care less whatever else "toughness" that he supposedly lacks. His length and defense (albeit a little better than Scola) is what would help us become legitimate title contenders.
Any ways this is all kind of funny, becaues it will be hard to trade Scola for Bosh. Although if Toronto HAD to trade the guy and he wanted to play here Brooks/Scola would get it done (if we SnT Scola also...) if not then idk...Brooks/Ariza? Toronto is going to want back young players and draft picks for sure.
Scola never 'used to dunk' (dont be confused by youtubes videos that show a lot of dunks together)...he has always had a pretty nice vertical (remember the block to Jermaine O'Neal in a World cup in 2002)....but he VERY RARELY USES. You can confirm it by entering www.acb.com opr www.euroleague.net at least at acb.com they used to coun t the dunks in games.... The lack of jumps was never because of being incapable, it was mainly because of his style, relying more on Basketball IQ than Athleticism..... [/QUOTE] but I watched the Fiba games and when Manu and Fabricio and Delfino didnt play on the National team one summer and he SINGLE handedly qualified Argentina for the Olympics and won MVP by himself he went up against the USA front courrt and was dominating, with no help Ive followed Scola career very much thank you very much but he hasnt played in the NBA the wway he plays internationally I actually expected him to play this way from the beggining of the season after comin off his oversees MVP performance [/QUOTE] If you are aware of Scola accomplishments overseas.....how can you be surprised by his current achievements? Did you notice that his FG is about the same he had in seasons before, and before the Landry trade? Do you realizxe he couldn't replicate his overseas huge achievements because HE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPORTUNITY to show what he can do when he's given a major role? Blame on him if you want, for not being a whiny primadonna and accepting minor roles to help the team (from time to time he showed what he was capable, just remember, who was the leading scorer (with minor minutes) the first time Houston won a playoff series against Portland?)..... Now it's the first time he's being asked to take more shots and be the go go guy, and he's showing what he showed overseas.... Is it his fault not being asked this before? Please answer...
From the financial aspect & production output, Scola is the guy! To me, Scola's production at HALF the price of Bosh makes the most sense.
Huh? There's a reason why rosters keep evolving: its because the players get old. If they're still young and productive then the only reason the club changes is via trade or if the player is asking too much money. Rosters don't stay the but individual players have been staying in their club for a long time now: Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, KG etc. have all stayed with their clubs for 5 years or more. If we keep Scola in 3-5 years both him and Yao will already retire or become like Deke. However in 3-5 years Kevin Martin will still be younger than Ray Allen now, and Lowry and Brooks will still be in their prime. That means we'll be wasting time looking for a replacement for the two of them, unless DM gets some fresh meat or Jordan Hill becomes a superstar. The point is we'll be formidable for the next 3-5 years, but after that we'll return to first round fodder again. Bosh oth can keep going, and even if we trade away Scola and Brooks to get him a core of Bosh, Kevin Martin and old Yao is still pretty good IMHO.
I agree. I'd take productive, healthy, and relatively cheap over productive, a little injury prone and a max contract any day.
Scola is great. But Morey has to find someone that can work with and eventually replace Yao as a franchise player. That someone could be Bosh, or a lottery pick.
They would want to, but will they get all that they want? Bosh can just walk as a FA then and Toronto can be left with nothing. They aren't in the driver's seat.
We've seen Scola turn it on before. Most of this season, it has not been turned on. As nice as he's playing now, wouldn't it have been great if he could have turned it on in January when we were still in contention? I don't mean to dog Scola, because I love having him. But, his results haven't been consistently great. A star PF will give us roughly this production every game of the season. Scola is a good starter if we want to get a star at some other position; but if the available star is a PF, you have to take him.
I've been thinking about this for a few months. Ginobili would love to play next to his Argentinian pal and this would make the rockets a great team. No Bosh no problem; use Mid-level on Ginobili and trade Battier to get a big man from another team. Ariza, Ginobili, Brooks, Scola and Martin when Yao is on the bench would be great.. Ginobili, Budinger, lowery, Hill and Cambi coming off the bench <---- that's almost a starting line-up .. Cambi wants to be a rocket by the way.
Why is everyone anticipating that Scola will agree on a sign n trade? He has to agree to go to a crappy team, most likely he just accepts an offer other team makes him and we have to match. If we do match, then we cannot complete a SnT. If we don't we lost him for nothing. Scola won't agree to go to a crappy team, this is his last contract on the NBA, and sure he wants to get paid, but he wants to win as well.
