Steve Francis just proved he is NOT a franchise player

Agreed. I dont think there is anything wrong with questioning things, and he just wants to make sure that Rudy, CD, and Les are comitted to heading in the right direction (even though we all know that they are).

Its ok to have doubts and question things..... we all do this on a daily basis.

 

Lets not keep on avoiding the Truth! Francis is afraid that he will have to play the role of a pure Point Guard and not the big time star scorer. He wants to get it clesr that Griffin and Yao have roles which are secondry to his! Imho

 

Rockets2003

I also want to add one more thing. For you people that just love complaining about how Francis acts and thinks, just look at the Sixers. They have a player that went into a house with a gun and threatened people. Yet Sixers fans are still following him because they are true fans.

Are you freaking kidding me?!?!? because they are true fans! If anybody on the rocks did that I wouldn't stand by that player...franchise player or not...true fan or not! In case you forgot we live in a society with laws. If you support that behavior then we are no better than Afghanistan or Pakistan were they kill or gang rape women simply because they were seen talking to another man and yes...the government and the general populace support that behavior.

 

Gee, I'd like to sit around drinking a cup of java with Steve, AI, and Bugs Bunny and discuss geo-politics... but since that's not possible (aaw, c'mon, guys!), I'll try to stick to the topic (we've got one, right?).

I think Steve went to one hell of a lot of trouble to be a point guard, and whether you like how he does it or not, I don't think he's losing sleep at night worrying that Griffin and Yao are going to steal the spotlight and that he's not going to get his points.

He wants to win. He has incredible physical gifts and is still learning how to use them in an efficent and productive way.

He needs to stay healthy and play better DEFENSE. Thank you.

 

And welcome to the BBS, whrslashr. (damn, that moniker is a little hard to type, "w". )

 

I don't think anyone has said that questioing Yao's ability is a mortal sin. However, Francis's attitude to Yao is like that of a little kid feeling jealous of his soon-to-be-born brother/sister. The problem is Francis is NOT a kid, and he is supposed to be the leader of Rox.

 

Go Steve

 

me too!!
. . . but also. . .

Francis is a very young man. . he' not particularly well educated and from wht I read his only passion is Basketball. . .he watches tapes. . .he lives and breathes the game. . . .Calvin gives him advice which he takes. . .and I like Calvin.

This young man for his NBA time has been on a losing team. . . .and to him 3 years has been a lifetime. . . .I suspect his agent said quit saying all you want to do is play for the Rocket's until I get the deal done. . .so he came out with an honest feeling. . . .maybe not tactful but honest. . .

Remember also every word he utter's is scrutinized. . .I'm convinced that even without a contribution from Ming. . .with the total team benefitting from an added year of experience and Taylor and Rice contributing. . this is a playoff team. . . toss in Nachbar and Ming. . .who knows . . . .

I happen to believe with Francis, Mobley & Moochie we have a great backcouurt. . . .and Cato and Griffin are going to make giant strides this year. . . .on one level Francis knows this. . .but he also hates that he has seen three years of losing. . it preys on his mind. . . .When he gets on the court he'll try harder, jump higher and score more than any other point guard in the league. . . he's our guy and with 90 million he'll be happy.

 

There is no way anyone can blame the last 3 (2 really) seasons on Francis. Steve's rookie year Barkley got injured, Hakeem's skills were declining by the day and Shandon Anderson & Walt Williams were starting. Does anybody think we would be better off w/ Cuttino running the point, Michael Dickerson at the 2 and a merrygoround of mediocore players in the front court? I didn't think so. With out Steve, the team would be in complete shambels. He's right, we've sucked, the bandwagon folks fell off, and we don't get the respect around the league and he's the only reason anybody gave a rat's you know what about are team the last couple of years.

Yes these comments are different from what he's been saying but no I'm not worried about it. As soon as CD and Rudy T stop low-balling him and offer him the MAX he'll sign and continue to be our best player. I like EG and I hope Ming does well, but I can't turn my back on one of only 3 players in NBA history to average 16ppg 6reb 6asst over the first 3 years of his career. Especially not for a young guy who shot 37% from the field and a guy I've never seen play before.

We can't forget who the Franchise is.

 

ZRB - That was the best post in this whole topic. I was waiting the whole time to read something about how if Francis had played the whole year, we may have had a chance to do something.

I dont see how Francis cant see that if he had played the whole season, and if Rice and Mtaylor and a bunch of other injuries didn't occur, that we woudn't have been a much better team. PLUS we are adding the number pick in the draft, also a #15 pick that in most drafts would have been much higher if the draft wasn't so strong this year.

With all of that, how can any player not want to be part of that...PLUS we have one if not the best Management in the league.

I think it is all a smoke screen for wanting more money. Just like any good business man SHOULD do. Either way, Francis is such a good player that without him, we would step back another 2 years in our team development.

All that being said, let the opinions fly, good or bad, what else do i have to read all darn summer...soo...debate on!!

 

RocketsRuuule, you forgot about the fact that all of our weapons (especially EG) are a year sharper. Hopefully they can all just stay healthy for the most part.

 

Steve Francis is an all around Player PERIOD! He leads or comes a close second in all of these catagories, Points, steals, rebounds, and assist. How can some of you expect him to lead the team to the playoffs when he leads them in rebounds. For Christ sakes, thats just sad when you have 3 six eleven and taller players on your team; get a grip! Oh yeah he is not bad on blocks either. Oh yeah and for the comment that was made that Francis would never be the player that Kobe is, Please what a bunch of Bull doodoo. If you look at both players overall stats for the first three years in the NBA Francis is clearly the dominant player. Now course alot of you will be sittin there trying to come up with all kinds of excuses for Kobe sakes; just go tell someone who cares like laker.com.

 

I'm glad no one over reacted over Steve's comments.

 

man I can't belive you guys are hating on steve. This is the guy who has been keeping us from the bottom of the ladder. The guy just said he wants to win. Nothing about hating on yao or anything else but the fact about winning. Steve works just as hard as anybody on the team. Look at Mo Taylor who is doing his best impression of looking like a recent marlon brando. Its not like he doesn't have the heart to win.

Look at the bunch the roster we've had this year. Mo "Marlon Brando" Taylor busted his achilles lifting that new heavy contract on the way home from signing it. Glen Rice's knees told him to retire again. The only thing glen rice passed was the plantar fasciata bug. He harmed us more than he helped.

But we did have a few good things. Eddie Griffin brought game and not the punch your point guard attitude if he doesn't pass you the ball. Oscar Torres had a few bright spots. Moochie "big fro" norris could handle a team and knock a few timely shots down to win the game. Cuttino kept us in a few games. And most of all we are, we are one year less on the contract of the GREAT KELVIN CATO.

 

Rocketguy3 - You are 100 percent right, the one more year of experience is going to help us that much more this season. Either way, i love steve, i remember when he first came to the team, there were articles in the paper stating that he needs to shoot more and not be soo unselfish, and i think that is in his nature, to not be soo selfish.

the only reason he is putting up the numbers he does, is because he has no help. but with the team we have now, in the next few years, hopefully he wont have to do it all himself....

so, again, stevie rocks, he is just getting advice from his lawyer or whoever about being a good business man and not look to excited about anything so he can get more. it is to get the rockets to give him more so he will stay ploy.

either way...like steve said when he first got here...it was god who put him here...hehe. whatever that means! so he is here to stay, i hope.

 

When Kelvin Cato is your starting center, how can you possibly think that it's a bad move to draft someone who is definitely a HUGE upgrade and quite possibly could be among the top 3-4 centers in the league a few years down the road? But Stevie questioned the pick anyway. If you ask me, his problem isn't with his ears, it's with what's between them.

Personally, I think he's a lesser version of Iverson -- a shooting guard who thinks he's a point guard -- and about as injury-prone, too. I wish CD had tried to send him to the Cavs for Miller and their #1 next year (if they'd agreed), giving us a true point guard to compliment Mobley (a true 2 guard). We'd have probably gotten to the playoffs this year *and* get a decent shot at LeBron James next year.

 

That would have been a great trade!!! Did the Rox management try to do that? I would support that 100%! Francis is perfect for the Cavs... He and Miles can run highlight reels after highlight reels but only win 10 games!! If he doesnt like Houston, lets send him to Cleveland where he belongs!!

 

Francis deserves the max.



According to Nba Live 2002, Francis has an overall rating of 88. Same as Kb8, Vince Carter, Tracy Mcgrady, and Michael Jordan.



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