While I am not advocating Lowry starting over Brooks, I totally disagree with what you say here. First, Conroy is nowhere near Lowry's talent. Lowry is above average in every PG skill except shooting. If for nothing, Lowry's ability to push the fast break is top notch even compared to all the starting PGs in the league, not to mention his foul-drawing and passing. I don't think Conroy will ever be anything close to Lowry. Second, Brooks is far more valuable as trade bait than Lowry. Brooks' value is easy to see. Lots of GMs would covet his scoring ability. Lowry, on the other hand, would still be undervalued by a lot of people. I do think Brooks and Martin can be great together in Adelman's offense. Brooks' play making deficiency is not a big concern. His defense is. A Brooks-Martin back court is pretty flimsy defensively and would put a lot of pressure to our interior defenders, especially if you start Ariza instead of Battier at the 3. I like Brooks. But I wouldn't mind if Morey could package Brooks to get a star like Bosh. And I'd put more hope on Llull than on Conroy.
Absolutely, if we can get Bosh, then of course you give up Brooks....it is all about making the team better. But I would rather trade Lowry and Scola for Bosh, as both of them are restricted Free Agents and you could more easily match salaries. Maybe something like: Battier, Lowry, and Scola for Bosh..... Or Trevor, Lowry and Scola for Bosh..... DD
HOLY ****!!! Are you ****ing serious? We need another one of these threads that we have 10+ of already NOOOOOOOOOOO Lowry will NEVER be better than Brooks, end of discussion
im not making it personal ur simply denouncing everything im saying while believing everything that pops into ur brain is the truth, im not afraid to admit that i was wrong on something but ive seen this story b4 with the score first mentality PG cough (francis) and i know how this story ends u have have a personal liking for brooks okay thats fine and dandy but dont let it obscure ur judgement from the truth Texans owner Bob McNair set the franchise back 2 more years by sticking with David Carr as the QB because he personally liked the guy and he believed that he could be made into a great QB no sir it cant be taught similar to how u personally like AB u wana feel and HOPE that AB CAN make the right pass but its something u have to naturally possess that cant be taught, sorry
lol at the David Carr comparison David Carr was among the worst quarterback in the NFL and also the first overall pick in the draft. Brooks is a late first rounder who is #2 in scoring for NBA PGs. 5 assists a game is more than enough from a PG in Adelman's system, that is how it is designed.
Tiger, AB does make those passes, he makes GREAT passes, what he lacks are finishers for his passes. Listen to Morey talk about it, they track the True assist, which is where a player makes a pass to set up a good shot, whether they make it or miss it. Brooks has been great this year at that. And when Cbud started one game with him earlier he got 10 assists, he has been saddled with Ariza - career low shooting Battier - See ariza Chuck - Is he on offense these days? Those are not going to be finishers. While AB does not have SUPERIOR court vision, he has very good court vision, the bounce passes in the lane are great, the wrap around to the corner, superb, the pick and pop with Scola...love em...the 1/2 court length pass to Martin on the break...LOVELY.... He can pass the ball, but his assist numbers will only go up if he has guys around him that can finish. Brooks is just fine, and yes, I do like him.......he is a very good up and coming PG..... Which, as you know, we have not had in Houston in decades. And for the record, I have better court vision than either Brooks or Lowry. DD
^^^^^^ YES!!! Lowry has played with Bud and Landry for most of the season, probably the 2 best finishers on the team. He can run as much as he wants with those guys. Brooks has no such luxury. Until Martin came, he was the only one that could even handle the basketball. He cannot rely on Battier or Ariza or Hayes to finish on offense. Maybe Scola but that is it. What Brooks has been able to do with the starting lineup is amazing
I'm for Brooks as the starting PG. That said, Adelman plays around with different combinations of players a lot, and I'm interested to see how Lowry and Martin play together. I just get the feeling that Martin will really thrive playing off-the-ball with Lowry. Adelman's rotation should give them plenty of chances to play together, so it's not necessary for Lowry to start over Brooks.
Is there ANYway we can get Bosh without giving up Scola??? I would really hate to lose him but for Bosh its worth it I think! I just cannot picture Luis Scola in another jersey!
i say no simply because of the fact that that the staff want to let Brooks have every opporutnity to develop PG skills altho it will never happen and plus i hope he starts due to the fact that we can build up his trade stock this summer if u made a poll asking if Lowry would be the starter by the start of next season i woulda voted yes
U wanna talk about "score first" PG??? Here's some for u! Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Baron Davis, Mo Williams, Devin Harris, and AARON BROOKS!!!!!! Ill take anyone of those guys on my team!
I'd give up either one to get Bosh. What I don't agree with you is that Brooks is inherently the better player than Lowry. The ONLY thing Lowry does not do better than Brooks is shooting. That is enough to put Lowry on the bench for now and I am not complaining. But shooting is a lot more possible to develop than court vision. And Lowry's ability to draw foul has somewhat compensated for his shooting deficiency. You think Brooks' court vision is adequate. Sure, if you compare it to the average Joe. But as an NBA PG, that's not enough. Making great passes once in a while does not indicate good court vision. Heck, I make those passes in pick up games once in a while too. Right now, at least 3 guys on our team have better court vision than Brooks: Lowry, Hayes, and Budinger. I haven't watched enough of Martin yet. And I think you grossly undervalue Lowry's impact to generate offense by pushing the ball. While Brooks is a faster player, he is nowhere as good as Lowry in transition. I think durvasa once posted something that showed how much our fast break point average increased whenever Lowry was on the court. I have long been convinced that the running game is more about the mind than about the body. You need a mindset to push. You also need a fast decision making mind to be efficient in the running game. Brooks is not a fast decision maker on the fly.
If we deal lowry, shane, and scola for bosh.. is that linup really better than: Brooks Martin Ariza Bosh Yao
It will take Brooks & Scola to land Bosh, given how underrated Lowry is...and I'm okay with that IMO Lowry offers so much more than Brooks, If Brooks shot is off it affects the rest of his game and thats something you can't count on in the playoffs.... Of course B.O.F. will disagree..... --RB
Brooks should easily be the starter, but I like what Lowry brings to the team. A lot depends on who we are playing, most teams don't have the quickness to stop Brooks. The only problem I have with Aaron is when he decides to do too much, either dribbling too much or playing too much one on one. I'm sure he has been forced to make something happen, but with the addition of Martin, he can do a little more playmaking. Sometimes we need a bigger guard that can get to the basket and that's when we can go with Kyle. Brooks and Martin will start and I can see Lowry playing with either one of these guys.
Easy, You have always been a very reasonable poster, so deserve a quality response to your well reasoned and thought out post. Agreed about the foul thing compensating for his lack of shooting ability, however, in the playoffs the referees do not give the ticky tack fouls that Lowry draws, witness last offseason where he shot only 33% overall because teams scouted him, if you can't shoot, it will inherently hurt the team. And, shooting is the hardest skill to teach, lots of good shooters become adequate in other areas but very few bad shooters ever become good at it.....some can get better, but it seems to be a skill you either have or don't, one very hard to develop. Brooks makes a lot of GREAT passes, that require vision the reason his assists are down is that he plays with guys who can not take advantage of those set ups. Witness the full court pass to Martin on the break last night, that was excellent court vision, witness the backdoor alley oop to Chase the game before, Brooks may not have Lowry's vision, but he is not that far behind, he just does it in the half court set off the bounce, whereas Lowry does it on the break. I like that we have both. I love it when he pushes the ball, but in the playoffs, that doesn't work, it becomes a half court game, and Lowry is not a good half court player because he can not shoot the ball. But he is perfect as a change of pace guy off the bench, a get up and down the floor and get dirty kind of guy....love him. Brooks is a fine decision maker, he was running like mad last night, watch how much they ran against the Spurs in the first quarter, the problem has been that Brooks did not have anyone to run WITH him ...now he does. I think you will be surprised. Again, I like having both of them, but I think Brooks court vision is a lot better than people think, he does sometimes get lazy with the passes and that pisses me off, but a lot of good PGs do that some times, and Brooks is still learning, so I give him a little leeway. Again, thanks for your quality post, it deserves a great deal of respect. DD
