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Obama puts forward $1 trillion health care plan

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rockets1616, Feb 22, 2010.

  1. Phillyrocket

    Phillyrocket Member

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    That's it in a nutshell. Right now you have too many people in the pool that use more services than they pay for. Without healthier people paying in more than they are taking out to balance them the system is broken.

    Not a hard concept.
     
  2. SunsRocketsfan

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    Good post!
     
  3. ChievousFTFace

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    The right needs to cut the crap... ANYTHING is better than the current system we have now.

    We spend 17% of our annual income on healthcare costs versus other countries in the world that spend roughly 10% of their incomes. I don't care if it's not perfect and has some stuff attached to it... PASS IT and let the numbers work themselves out.
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    awesome username for anyone who remembers derrick chievous's free throws
     
  5. ROXRAN

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    firepowa...?
     
  6. mc mark

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    Do republicans plan on posting their healthcare bill online before the meeting Thursday?
     
  7. basso

    basso Member
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    idiot. it's been available for months.
     
  8. basso

    basso Member
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    not all Dims are on board.

    [rquoter]I was pleased to see that President Obama’s health care proposal did not include several of the sweetheart deals provided to select states in the Senate bill. Unfortunately, the President's proposal encompasses the Senate language allowing public funding of abortion. The Senate language is a significant departure from current law and is unacceptable. While the President has laid out a health care proposal that brings us closer to resolving our differences, there is still work to be done before Congress can pass comprehensive health care reform.[/rquoter]
     
  9. mc mark

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    No, I mean a real plan

    You know, one that'll actually work and cover people who need it.

    Wasn't that bill laughed off the senate floor? Hell even republicans know this is a joke.

    Come back when you have something serious to add.
     
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  10. geeimsobored

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    The GOP plan is literally, "encourage people to form pools to negotiate lower coverage costs. Oh and tort reform"

    Wow thanks GOP, that'll really cut into those health care costs. Good work!
     
  11. mc mark

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    Not only that, but out of the 31 million or so Americans uninsured, plan GOP would only cover about 3 million of those. So as you can see there really isn’t much “reform” in the GOP reform bill.
     
  12. basso

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    Link?
     
  13. mc mark

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  14. basso

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    so, you post a factually inaccurate query, are called on it, follow-up with another falsehood, are challenged to produce, and respond by posting a meaningless pic?

    why do you hate the truth mc snark?

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  15. vlaurelio

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    Poor Repubs caught in a dilemna. Please their "base' as Dubya put it-- rich corporate sponsors --or tell 35 million uninsured to just stuff it. They can't just keep papering this over with libertarian bumpersticker deep platitudes or fake populism.

    What will happen to the Repubs when the toothless Teabaggers discover the joys of health care and dental work?
     
  17. mc mark

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    you wouldn't know the truth if it b****slapped you
     
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  18. Bogey

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    What is wrong with tort reform?
     
  19. Bogey

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    I sure hope neither Dems or Republicans feel this way.
     
  20. mc mark

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    from the link

    Late last night, the Congressional Budget Office released its initial analysis of the health-care reform plan that Republican Minority Leader John Boehner offered as a substitute to the Democratic legislation. CBO begins with the baseline estimate that 17 percent of legal, non-elderly residents won't have health-care insurance in 2010. In 2019, after 10 years of the Republican plan, CBO estimates that ...17 percent of legal, non-elderly residents won't have health-care insurance. The Republican alternative will have helped 3 million people secure coverage, which is barely keeping up with population growth. Compare that to the Democratic bill, which covers 36 million more people and cuts the uninsured population to 4 percent.


    But maybe, you say, the Republican bill does a really good job cutting costs. According to CBO, the GOP's alternative will shave $68 billion off the deficit in the next 10 years. The Democrats, CBO says, will slice $104 billion off the deficit.


    The Democratic bill, in other words, covers 12 times as many people and saves $36 billion more than the Republican plan. And amazingly, the Democratic bill has already been through three committees and a merger process. It's already been shown to interest groups and advocacy organizations and industry stakeholders. It's already made its compromises with reality. It's already been through the legislative sausage grinder. And yet it saves more money and covers more people than the blank-slate alternative proposed by John Boehner and the House Republicans. The Democrats, constrained by reality, produced a far better plan than Boehner, who was constrained solely by his political imagination and legislative skill.

    This is a major embarrassment for the Republicans.
     

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