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The real beauty of this trade

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kevC, Feb 18, 2010.

  1. Tiger23

    Tiger23 Member

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    :rolleyes: sounds like a hater to me
     
  2. Invisible Fan

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    While this is reasonable, having Knicks' picks will reduce the chances of drafting a clunker.

    Draft picks are an inexact science. Even great gm's can't predict winners all the time.
     
  3. Old Man Rock

    Old Man Rock Contributing Member

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    Not a hater just a truther.

    I like Morey can't think of a better GM I would want. Just give some credit to the scouts, Les and Adelman and some of the blame on them too. Ask Morey he would admit as much.
     
  4. Old Man Rock

    Old Man Rock Contributing Member

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    LOL

    Truly I think Smoothie almost screwd this trade. Too many Knicks so that video and screamed rape. But when it looked like they would not get Tmac they screamed murder as in murder dolan. So he went back to walsh and said get it done now.

    Smoothie almost blew us the deal. ;) I am not sure I am completely joking.
     
  5. caffreys_irish_ale

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    Am I wrong or were Jordan Hill an Chase Budinger teammates in at Arizona??
     
  6. CHayesIsMyHero

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    carl's little brother marcus, was traded to the celtics today as well
     
  7. Asian Sensation

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    The real beauty of this trade is a lesser role offensively for Ariza. Martin is going to take the load off of Ariza which allows him to focus more on what he's good at. Defense.
     
  8. DunKingDanny

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    Dude WTF!? ROTFLMAO!!! :grin: :grin:
     
  9. Nero

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    Here's why this does not necessarily logically follow:

    Morey is a 'Floor Flattener' (tm)

    ;)

    Let me see if I can explain what I mean by that.. I have actually thought about this a lot, and the analogy goes something like this.

    Imagine each year's NBA draft as a sort of a bay on the coast, and you are standing on a pier. (follow me now) All of the available talent is standing on the floor of the bay, most of them completely under water. Only a few of them are tall enough to have their heads even poking out of the water. Their height is a measurement of the player's *perceived* talent. The tallest ones (ie the ones seen as being the most talented) are visible to everyone who looks at the water.

    Then the draft begins.

    The tallest goes first (in other words, the concensus overall #1, then #2, then #3, etc), followed by the other few remaining ones with their heads above water.

    HOWEVER, with each pick, the water level drops a bit, which then draws other players' heads above the water.

    So the further you go in the draft, the more dispersed and evened-out the talent pool becomes.

    The kicker is, though, that the surface of the bay floor is uneven. The area closest to the pier is flatter, where the highest picks stand, but the further you go in the draft, the more uneven the floor becomes. One more-talented player may happen to be standing in a trough, or a lower spot, while a lesser-talented player may be standing on a bit of a rise.

    So one player may be perceived to be a better pick at, say, #20 or so, than a potentially-more-talented player in the mid 30's or 40's.

    This is the part of the draft in which Morey works his wizardry.

    He has developed the magic formula to be able to reasonably-accurately determine the relative talents of these later picks, finding diamonds in the rough, picking gems that others overlooked (Landry, Brooks, Budinger, even the later picks last year too).

    In other words, Morey 'flattens the floor' of this uneven basin in which the non-lottery picks reside. He uses his analytical skills to recognize talented players that other GMs simply don't see, or don't value highly enough. He sees the ones who genuinely stand taller, at that point in the draft, than his peers.

    This is why your premise, admirable as it is, is not necessarily a logical one. If Morey has picks in, say, the top 12 or so, then the available talent pool equal to where he is drafting will actually be smaller.

    It is far more likely to be able to find an under-appreciated player in the 30's who turns out to have value equal to a player who should have been drafted in the teens, than it would ever be to draft a player in the teens who turns out to have been a top-5 or top-3 player.

    Having said all that, if anyone could do it, Morey could. We just don't know yet, simply because he hasn't had that kind of draft spot yet.

    (yeah, I know, I have too much time on my hands)
     
  10. brian_chapman

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    so if NY gets the number 1 pick next year we are screwed and lose our option?

    watch stern rig the lotto and NY gets #1 ,just enough so that we cant switch..
     
  11. Hippieloser

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    After reading ClutchFans all day, I'm pretty sure that our option will simply be transferred to 2013.
     
  12. Alvin Choo

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    Can we say John wall?
     
  13. I♥TheRockets

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    sign and trade, if any of those guys want to go to another team, they will ask for a sign and trade so they can get that extra money and still get to the team they want to...
     

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