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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hball, Feb 17, 2010.

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Is tracy truly done or is Adelman running T-mac out of houston like tim hardaway?

  1. T-macs truly done

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  2. Adelmans running him off like Tim Hardaway

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  1. HRocketsFan

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    You can't really compare McGrady to Kobe Bryant. Kobe has been healthy pretty much his entire career with the exception of a few games he missed because of injuries. Oh, and by the way, he plays through injuries most of the time too. Would McGrady keep playing if he broke a finger on his shooting hand? I think we all know the answer to that.
     
  2. mfastx

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    Toronto didn't "ship his ass out," he was a free agent, and Toronto made an offer, but Tmac wanted to be the main man (like Trevor Ariza).
     
  3. raining threes

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    Somebody should start a poll is T-Mac

    A. Lazy
    B. Quitter
    C.Selfish
    D.Manipulative
     
  4. northeastfan

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    Yes, TSlack is all of the above.
     
  5. sephiroth.hk

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    I dont think Tmac want to be main man in Magic while Magic has Hill...
     
  6. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    not like Trevor Ariza.

    Trevor wants to work hard and expand his game. T-mac just wanted to be THE MAN.
     
  7. Yak

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    My mistake. Shipped wasn't the right word.

    He wasn't able to coincide with his cousin and cooperatively lead a franchise, so he "bailed" on his team.
     
  8. Hball

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    When teams adjust to the offense and clamp down defensively at the end of games, it's a luxury to have a guy that can create something out of nothing.
     
  9. HRocketsFan

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    Kind of like what Morey is trying to do now.
     
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  11. sjackson0

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    Perhaps I need to stick with my OWN opinions and not read others or listen to ESPN analysts. I watch 82+ games a year just like many of us. I have my opinion about this situation and no one can change that. You go back a read what Clutch wrote...I'm good, once is enough.

    I don't know what happened in Toronto or Orlando....All I know is that fans are fickle when you're not winning. Was it his fault? Who knows....I didn't watch all their games. But when a player is putting up 20+ points along with 5+ assist a game....30+ points in the playoffs and he still gets all the blame? Something seems a lil off. Why can't management take some blame for not putting the "right" pieces on the floor?

    When Tracy was balling for us in the playoffs avg 30+...we lost to Dallas, Utah or whomever....Wasn't just Tracy's fault that we couldn't get past teams that were just better those series. Now he runs his mouth and his cockiness is a lot to handle, but I don't lay all the blame on him.

    Say what you want....he didn't quit on this team last year. The Rockets should have shut him down and been honest with him about his knee it seems. He shouldn't have to go to outside doctors just for them to tell him he needed that surgery....should have came from us. That doesn't sound fishy to you?
    NO matter if you like TMAC or not...something about that whole situation seems fishy.
     
    #51 sjackson0, Feb 17, 2010
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  12. Yak

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    So, once again, you're contradicting yourself.

    You're insinuating that traditional offensive schemes are "thrown out" at the end of games, and the end of games are decided by simple ISO plays where the ball is dominated by a single player.

    Too bad Adelman's offense doesn't include any of that.
     
  13. Yak

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    The fishy part was where he went to numerous outside sources looking for a doctor that suggested surgery was the best option.

    He finally found out.

    Without consulting the Rockets' training staff.

    And stats are just that, stats. TMac put up beastly numbers in the playoffs. He wanted to get past the first round. I was a staunch defender of his playoff performances back then.

    But at this stage in his career, he's terribly overpaid. He doesn't deserve to be out on the court after what he did. Sure, he may have some impact in each game, but it is truly enough to risk injuring him so that his trade value goes down to 0?
     
  14. hodgo

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    Hey Crew

    I think it really comes down to can Mcgrady and Adelmans offense coexist and the reason i think MCgrady is no longer with the team is

    1 He couldn't based on the fact he likes to have the ball in his hands for long periods of time and that really is how ALderman likes it.

    2 He does score 20+ points regularly and unlike some i still think he will again, the problem is due to how long he holds the ball and how often he takes the jumper. This really negates his real worth to a club that is building itself to be a pass first team.

    3 Even when he was playing his 7 mins, the highlights i saw basically showed him attempting to be the old Tmac with out the lift to shoot over people, which results in a stagnant offense. That basically tells me he wasnt willing to buy into the new offensive sets.

    Anyway my 2 bobs worth

    hodgo
     
  15. Hball

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    Which is why I ask when has Adelmans offense won a championship?

    Iv's seen championships won by a simple ISO plays where the ball is dominated by one single player.(Kobe, Jordan, Shaq, Duncan)
     
  16. sjackson0

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    No Yak....the fishy part is that the Rockets told him that he was OK. Remember? They said he was fine and that the pain was just gona be there the rest of the season. The Rockets told him that man.....he THEN check with other doctors AFTER he listened to the Rockets. He tried to play on the bad knee when they said he was fine. CLEARLY the Rockets were wrong...you can't spin this another way. He saw other doctors after he trusted the rockets doctors and played on a bum knee.

    Of course...I agree he is overpaid right now. Anyone coming off a microfracture surgery or major injury would be. But NONE of you were talking about the money during that 22 wins in a row/ 55 win season. The injury bug hit Tracy again...and it sucks man....trust me, I'm tired of it too. But I'm not gona hang a cat for being injured because" when" he's healthy...he's money.
    Whoever gets Tracy next will get a cat that will put positive numbers up.

    There is no way Tracy would have made this current rockets team worse....HBALL has a point with the Hardaway reference. It's scary similar....I remember that vividly. That cost Rick his job
     
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  17. Yak

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    Which is why I asked when has *any* coach's offensive scheme won a championship if it's as easy as dumping the ball off on a star player and asking him to make plays on his own, completely disregarding a offensive set.
     
  18. TMac4Life#1

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    Im really getting tired of people saying he doesn't fit. Half the guys on this damn team doesn't fit yet they are still here. Gosh some guys just say things 2 say it.

    Why doesn't he fit?? Cause when he gets the ball the ball movement stops?? Well I've seen Yao touch the ball and it stopped. Scola, Landry and even Ariza. Plzzzz with the He doesn't fit comments. Its getting plaid now
     
  19. sjackson0

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    They say it because they don't have their own opinions....parrots, just repeating what sports talk radio says or espn.

    HOw do we know if he won't fit if you don't play him??? 8 mins a game? really? It's funny that it worked for all the 50 win seasons he lead the rockets to. Its a simple case of what have you done for me lately's...lol
     
  20. Hball

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    Exactly, Adelman's system is what doesn't fit, Yao's not a high post big with great passing skills he's strength is the low post, battier isn't a guy to run off screens and cut to the basket he's a spot-up shooter, regardless the coach should adjust their system to players strengths
     

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