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The absolute best value asset to acquire with McGrady

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jopatmc, Feb 17, 2010.

  1. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

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    ......is Amare Stoudemire.

    It doesn't matter that Amare may not want to play here or re-sign here. What matters is his contract. He has an opt out he can exercise. For him to actually exercise that opt out, he has to play his a.. off for the next 3 months to drive up his value. IF....he does opt out.....then the most value he can get is through a S&T. Even if he wants to go to Miami and they have the cap space to sign him, the S&T gives him an extra year and higher raises. Amare appears to me to be about the money. I'm okay with that. IF...we S&T'd him to Miami during the offseason, we have probably an expiring contract coming back or possibly an asset such as Beasley..and we have a pretty good sized trade exception to use for the following year.

    And what if he stays, plays his a.. off, and decides not to opt out? Well, you've got a guy on an expiring contract that is going to be playing his a... off for another season to get his big money deal. MOTIVATED! Not only that, you have a huge $17 million expiring contract next season that you can trade, and whose value could be sky high for some team that really wants him and wants to commit to an extension and Amare wants them. It's a no brainer.

    How to do the deal? Well, if the talks between Amare and PHX have broken off, then it's a matter of getting PHX enough talent to turn the deal. What better system would Ty Thomas fit into than PHX? Or...what about Jordan Hill? Expirings plus Hill or Thomas, plus picks. How about Brad Miller/Ty Thomas/picks to PHX for Amare. We wind up with Amare and Salmons, both of them expiring between this season and next season. What if that would allow us to flip Battier/Scola to Sacramento for Kevin Martin?
     
  2. W22_STREAK

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    not that I agree with amare stoudamire is a good target, but hes going to either cleveland or miami.

    do you really think we can beat a package of ilgauskas/1st rounder/hickson?

    even wright/richardson/chalmers/first rounder is better than any deal involving mcgrady.
     
  3. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    when teams have cap space to sign players straight up, there is no leverage in a sign and trade. if miami doesn't want to give up beasley, they will just refuse the sign and trade, and sign amare anyway.
     
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    I've said it before: if all it takes to get Amare is J.J. Hickson and the rights to buyout Big Z, then you almost have to call and make an offer. Amare is definitely not my top choice due to all his attitude/ego/braindead tendencies, but I can't deny my interest if all it takes is an expiring contract and some sweeteners. He's easily the best player available that hypothetically could be had in exchange for McGrady's contract (if Phoenix would go for that, of course).

    That said, he's definitely not my top choice and I think Morey will look elsewhere. Upgrading the wing spots and/or acquiring a legit center has to take first priority.
     
  5. HowsMyDriving

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    amare can play center. the way the new nba works, that's all that matters.

    i should say: he can play center on offense. on defense, he can play a seive.

    you're right though. with phx history of dumb trades and cost cutting, amare can probably be had on the cheap. just a matter of what you're gonna get long-term, yknow?
     
  6. jopatmc

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    Miami has already been rejected according to reports and they have offered everything not named DWade.

    Not sure Cleveland really wants him. Looks to me like they prefer Antawn.

    However, I really think the holdup is PHX. I think PHX understands the value of his contract and they are willing to wait and simply to the S&T themselves during the offseason. To get Amare, someone is going to have to offer the Suns a value that they perceive is greater than the value they can receive by S&Ting him this offseason. What if that value was taking back Jason Richardson? Here we are discussing taking on Jeffries for a year or taking on Salmons. A swing for the fence deal would to flip Battier for an expiring then package that expiring along with McGrady/Cook and take back Amare and Richardson. That is, if PHX didn't want Battier. JRich?? Overpaid and on the downside. He expires next season. Amare?? The wild card.
     
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    it was reported not too long ago that the suns were leaning towards keeping him because stoudemire's agents pretty much ocnvinced him that he was a max guy, at least not yet. So many believe he already decided not to opt out, and come back stronger next year, which i guess would still help houston if they traded for him.
     
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    Dude even if we pulled of a miraculous trade to get Amare, there's no way that he's re-signing with us next season...
     
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    Great, we sign and trade him. By the way, I am convinced he isn't opting out after this season. He is going to see the market, get bottom dollared, because he is going to be stuck behind Lebron, DWade, and Joe Johnson. Those are the 3 primary targets. I am convinced he is going to wind up playing out his contract in 2011 and looking for big bucks after that.
     
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    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    Amare is good at best. The guy wants bank, he will be a rental. Phoenix doesn't need the likes of Mac mainly because if they wanted an overrated overpaid overshooting player they would keep Amare. I like Amare and think he would work here, but that's pure speculation.
     
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    I hope Amare comes but if he did along with the bulls/knicks trade we'd have too many big guys. Hayes, Andersen, Scola,Landry, Amare, Thomas, Miller or Hill

    that's only if two trades occure. I'd offer scola and battier for Stat along with Dorsey and maybe cash. Hell if we went to the play offs, the rox do a 'little' ass kissing, then maybe he'd stay. Let's say also he doesn't come back then sign and trade him to minn. For al Jefferson.
     
  13. jump shooter

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    I think in the end the Suns keep the guy.
     
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    he's coming to Houston.



    j/k. But Amare did say today its his last game as a Sun. He is gone. Every team seems to be backing out. Ive followed the Suns and Amare closely for last 2 years and the two teams with most interest have been Houston and Bulls. I wouldnt be surprised if bulls get amare/suns get tmac/we get chicago package.

    Also,after last night watching Milsap and Boozer ,clearly Landry is not who we thought he was. Role player at best but not as good as Milsap. We need to upgrade scola/landry and battier. You trade Battier/Tmac for amare/jason richardson or barbosa, we are loaded. The thing about NY is every hour they are taking more demands, first they protected the picks, now they are keeping HIll. Bulls Miller is to old and Tyrus is trash and Salmons is playing terrible. Theres no guarantee we swap picks for rubio. Take the sure fire allstar in Amare and a good role player in richardson and we are guaranteed playoffs this year and next yr we will be dominating.

    brooks/lowry
    jason richardson/taylor
    ariza/budinger
    amare/scola
    yao/hayes/anderson
     
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    You still like Greg Oden's penis? POL
     
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    1. Amar'e is going to opt out.....hes not gonna risk free agency w/ the lowered cap in 2011

    2. He would cost us key pieces along w/ McGrady. (i.e. Landry, Budinger, etc.)

    3. He plays absolutely no defense......and that will never change

    4. I have a sneaky suspision that he will have a Kenyon Martin like fall off once he doesn't have Nash feeding him all day. He'll still be a good player but not worth what he requests.

    All and all

    PASS!!!
     
  17. Deckard

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    We would likely be sending out draft picks, not collecting them.
     
  18. amaru

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    Dude.......Landry had one off game.

    Granted he was very off.....but that may have had something to do with Utah's constant double teams every time he put the ball on the floor.

    The missing piece in that game was Lowry
     
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    I know there is no way Amare is coming here, but what about a three team trade with the rockets, cavs and suns..


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    Im not sure on how to post the pic of it here, its not working lik usual...would you do this one?
     
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    Most of the speculation that I've seen says that the talk of not opting out was just to scare off a potential Sixers trade. The reasoning is that the owners are pushing for a hard salary cap and shorter contract lengths (max 4 years). If you think those things could be implemented in the new CBA, then you're much better off opting out this year and signing a longer term deal. Most likely signing a deal under the current CBA will offer him a chance to make much more money than waiting and signing a deal under the next CBA.
     

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