Race track announcer voice: Coming down the back straight away, and the Bulls pull ahead of the Knicks out of turn 4. This is going to be a faaaaantastic finish Jim.
If chicago is offering a future first round draft pick (protected/unprotected), you take the Chicago Deal... It gives you time to evaluate Tyrus Thomas to see if you he can be part of the plans in the future. He's an above avg rebounder, and an above avg shot blocker...both are things we're lacking this season. He would probably eat up Andersen's and Hayes' minutes. I think this would enable us to change the starting 5 up a bit too...maybe go with: AB/Lowry Budinger/Salmons/JT Ariza/Battier Scola/Thomas Miller/Landry/Hayes/Andersen That doesn't look like a bad Starting 5...not a championship team by any means, but enough to at least get us to the playoffs this year and hopefully become an attractive destination for a 2nd tier FA or go for a sign and trade.
Please don't post any of the garbage Feigan writes. The guy has no credibility with the team and he's the closet to them out of others. Pretty pathetic on his part. I hate reading his pointless and rantfull articles.
He'd have to sign our offer sheet. He may feel it is in his interests to wait the entire summer for a better offer from another team.
Are you sure you're not making a mistake for Dick Justice? This dude puts up the most non-sense articles that i've ever read. Feigan...if he doesnt have anything to report, he doesnt.
But Tyrus Thomas is a restricted free agent. So the ball's in Houston's court with his contract situation in the summer.
I think its all about getting some value for tracy. Both teams offer something if you look at each deal. I don't think ny is going to give up another 1st rd pick, but thats me. Thomas,salmons,and miller would be cool, but they're not getting any picks with them. Thomas in might mean scola or landry out and thats why the deal might go down today. The ny deal has potential because hill is coming in. Once again, if hill comes in, scola or landry might be gone. The kid needs minutes and this is a developement year anyway. When you just look at the deals, coaches like adelman wants to win and develop at the same time. Personally, i think thomas is the kind of 4 needed next to yao and on this team. Salmons is a good player and actually has pg skills. If they do this trade today, it will give them time to trade scola or landry before the trade deadline also.
Forgot to add, I feel better with where Tyrus Thomas is at now and nothing Hill has shown me makes me believe he will even get there. Tyrus showed more as a rookie in his ability to actual alter a game than Hill has. I haven't seen many Knicks games, probably about 5...but Hill never even once came close to making a real impact. TT doesn't show every game, all game but he does at least show up at least during a part of every game and every once in a while comes close to dominating one athletically.
I don't think that many of us are writing off the Knicks just for the sake of saying so. There are concrete facts and a factoring in of probabilities in play. First, the likelihood that New York can land Lebron James is less than 50%. I think we can all agree on this. Therefore, it is more likely than not that Lebron does not go to the Knicks. (I just don't see any way that Dwyane Wade goes to the Knicks over staying in Miami or going home to Chicago.) Second, even if Lebron leaves his (basically) hometown team, takes a substantial paycut (over the life of his new contract vs. what Cleveland can offer him under the CBA) and comes to New York (and a worse roster than Cleveland), the likelihood that a second superstar (i.e., Chris Bosh) decides to likewise take a substantial paycut to join Lebron is also less than 50% IMHO. Third, even if two max players came to New York, the Knicks would have to renounce their rights to both David Lee and Tracy McGrady, thereby seriously depleting the Knicks' talent pool. (By the way, if you don't think Lebron knows this, you're kidding yourselves.) Fourth, because the Knicks' will have renounced their rights to all of their many free agents in order to use all of their cap room to sign only two players, New York will be forced to fill out the remainder of its roster (including have of their rotation) with players making the league minimum. Fifth, regardless of what you think of the owners' recent proposal for a new CBA in 2011, the fact remains that the salary cap loopholes that the Knicks have been able to jump through to keep their team salary so ridiculously high will be substantially closed. This will make it extremely difficult for the Knicks to add any talent to their roster besides the two max guys. Sixth, if even one of the two max guys goes down with a major injury next year, and given the terrible lack of depth that such Knicks team would have, that 2011 pick will be a HIGH lottery pick. I'm not saying that the Knicks will definitely suck. It's just that the odds are in favor of them not being better than the Rockets (or the Bulls) over the next couple of years, no matter what players they add this summer. Daryl Morey is a hell of a lot better at calculating these odds than any of us are, and I'm sure he has a sense for what those picks could likely turn into.
If we want to trade him to another team, the ball is in Thomas's court. I don't think you can trade a restricted free agent just because you submitted a qualifying offer. He needs to actually agree to sign with you, and that could take all summer.
Edited: I wonder if we could pull of a three team trade with Chicago and Phoenix that would send Tyrus and Scola [/B] for Amare. Steve Nash could make lemonade out of Tyrus, just like he has made Amare an All-Star. Scola plays below the rim, but he runs the floor with the best of them. With Landry, I don’t think we really need Tyrus as much as we need Miller. I think Salmons is better than anything we have as SG. Also, we get the pick(s) from Chicago. I was a big fan of Salmons last few years. I don't know what the story with him is this year. IMO, Tyrus and Scola >> JJ Hickson –I believe this is what was/is on the table with Cleveland for Amare.
First of all, this season doesn't matter. Whether we tank or not, this season is just for entertainment purposes, and players that aren't going to be with us after this season shouldn't have much bearing on the decision. So, from New York we get Hill, Jefferies, and picks. From Chicago, we have Thomas, Salmons, and picks. Salmons will cost us $5.8 next season, his last, whereas Jefferies will hit us for $6.9 million. What I don't like about Chicago's deal is, we have to sign Thomas, and he's going to cost us a few million bucks more than Hill, who will only make $2.7 million next season. Thomas is better than Hill right now, but I expect Hill will turn into as much of a player as Thomas. As far as this goes, I'm interested in how good he will be 15-16 months from now, in the 2011 playoffs, and Hill should have learned how to play at this level by then. Either one will require us to trade/release Scola or Landry. We can't keep that much talent at the PF position. I am sure that either Hill or Thomas will be an upgrade over Hayes at backup C, but neither is a true center. We don't know what picks Chicago is offering, but getting their 2010 pick is pretty attractive. I will be happy with either of the two deals. We can't judge without knowing more about what Chicago's offer is, but I'm sure DM will do the right thing, and hopefully follow up this trade with one or two more before the deadline.
I agree with you. Thing is, i think the rockets want to continue to get younger and more athletic, but i don't think they want to be jordan hill young. I think the thomas deal makes more sense now and in the future. Scola might be a little old to resign for 5 yrs and landry might cost too much. Thomas might get signed and either perform to his contract or outperform it of say mid level money.
Just mirroring what others have said, unless draft picks are involved from Chicago the Knicks offer blows the Bulls out of the water. But I'm sure for Morey to be mulling it over, the Bulls offer has to be substantial. Either that, or he's just trying to get more out of the Knicks. Brad Miller is done and isn't going to help us get anywhere this year. We already tried the Tyrus Thomas experiment in the form of Stromile Swift. Salmons is a decent get, but nowhere near the value of those Knick picks. We have the option of turning those picks into immediate assets via trade by packaging them with players (Battier, Jeffries, Brooks, Landry, Scola) this summer, or we can just hang on to them for when the right deal comes along (or until nothing comes along and we use them).
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4920108 Interesting so the rockets don't seem to high on Solmons either, so could the possible trade look like this: Tyrus Thomas Brad Miller Jerome James Chi. 2010 1st pick which I would take in a heartbeat... --RB
So completely wrong...and this was where I stopped reading...that was all assumption..dont try to portray to all that its fact next post please
