[ESPN] Rockets to decide on Knicks, Bulls offer Wednesday

From ESPN Daily Dime ... nice ...
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3. Should the Knicks give up Jordan Hill and future first-round picks to Houston to get Tracy McGrady and clear cap space?

Adande: The Knicks should give up as much as Houston will accept for McGrady and the max cap space. If this is their only strategy, might as well go all-out.

Legler: Absolutely, that's a no-brainer, Jordan Hill doesn't figure in their plans in any way shape or form, and the only way to turn their cap space around is to pursue a big-name free agent.

Rose: Not only should they do it, they should do it right now. No brainer.
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We are not gaining two first-round draft picks from the New York Knicks.

Let me say this a little louder, since half of the people here don't seem to understand it.

We are not gaining two first-round draft picks from the New York Knicks.

If we make this trade, we will be swapping our 2011 first-rounder for New York's. Net gain: Zero additional draft picks. We might move up in the draft order. That is all we get from them in 2011; a higher draft position, if we are lucky. Not an extra pick.

The only additional draft pick we would gain is their 2012 first-rounder, which they are hesitant to even give up. And 2012 is two full seasons from now. They might be in the lottery, or they might be defending champions for all we know.

So let's stop the misinformation, guys. Our net gain in first-rounders if we make the New York deal is +1 first round draft picks, not +2.

We don't know whether Chicago is giving us draft picks, either, by the way. For all we know Morey is pushing to get their 2010 first round pick. If that happens, it's much better than what the Knicks are offering because we get an additional draft pick right now instead of two years from now.

 

Some league sources believe the Bulls' offer is emerging as the front-runner as the 2 p.m. Thursday trade deadline looms.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...bulls-knicks-chicago-20100216,0,4751731.story

 

maybe a 3 way then we can get both

 

Like I posted in another thread, Chicago deal helps us win this year, or at least should. That being said it's not enough to help us contend. Thomas is an athletic freak but doesn't give you constant effort and has little between the ears.

Hill still has time to develop, he brings athleticism, range on his jumper, effort and size that we need. The draft picks one swap and the other possible lottery are huge. Jefferies is not near as bad as what most think, if you see him on this team I think you will be a little surprised. He brings constant pressure and effort and can guard multiple postions.

Unless Chicago adds picks or Noah I take the Knick deal because it sets us up nice in the future and or gives us more assets to hopefully get a big name free agent in a sign & trade this offseason

 

ahhh, my head hurts, but I do like threeways. Can't wait to see what goes down.

 

If the Chicago deal is TT, Salmons and a 1st then I'd take it. I don't care much for NY's trash.

While Salmons hasn't had a good season, he played well for Chicago in the playoffs last year and provides some sorely needed guard play.

 

Bull's offer is better? Hope so.

Actually, I dont think the trade with Bull's embodies more significance than that in present season. For the next year, there is no big difference if no draft pick provided by Bull's. What we can do is to wait for the expiration of the contract of Miller or Mcgrady. TT's next contract may prevent him from staying in Rockets because DM can not provide an ideal contract for him in my opinion, the result may be somewhat like Artest.

Thus, it is only the exchange among several contracts which soon expires. Besides, the sole advantage is to cut the tax.

 

damn none of these seem appealing

 

No kidding.

Flip Miller (expiring) for Jeffries and the 2012 first rounder and, say, NY's 2nd rounder this year. Something like that.

Armed this summer with the expiring contracts of Salmons, Battier, Jeffries, a Houston 1st rounder, Chicago 1st rounder, and NY's 2nd rounder, we could do some damage.

Just sayin.

 

New York is a joke in the NBA right now, but I just get the feeling they are pulling some master plan. Soon they will probably have one or two of the main free agents. And who knows, maybe sign Mac for very little.

 

You would have to think that if either the NY trade or the Chicago is completed, then probably should anticipate a secondary trade with someone else being moved to balance out or upgrade the roster.

 

I don't know what more people were expecting out of a Tmac deal. Tmac is a washed up has been that no playoff team wants, unless they have a bad contract. The best the Rockets could possibly get in return is picks or expiring contracts in hopes to be bidders for this season's free agent class. With either deal the Rockets are getting exactly what they wanted, expiring or young talent to help build around. Otherwise Morey would have been satisfied just to have Tmac's contract expire after this season. I believe if Morey doesn't get exactly what he wants from NY two unprotected picks than we will trade Tmac to the Bulls. It will get us 1 first round pick, expiring contracts in Tyrus Thomas and Brad Miller with also Salmons or Hinrich's contract expring next season.

 

we get their 2011 first round pick though...they suck. what if they do this trade and don't end up getting a superstar or a star this summer then they're still suck, prolly more cuz they won't have anybody on their team. Same goes w/2012 first round pick. And I heard they'll give us their 2010 2nd round pick too.

 

A lot of fans seem to be too willing to part ways with Scola in my opinion. I'm fine with a consistent 14/9 guy as our power forward, especially one who is extremely durable. I have a hard time seeing Jordan Hill or even Tyrus Thomas equaling that production. I'm much more okay with Hill, because I think we can keep him as a project while keeping Scola at the same time. I don't think we'll be able to do the same with Thomas.

Unless we're getting a Bosh or Amare, I don't see the reason for adding (in the best case) a marginally better player to our deepest position on the roster. We have so many other needs.

Rumor is that Morey wants a long and athletic PF alongside Yao, but yet our defense has been top 5 in the league as long as we had a tall center in the game (Yao/Deke). I would rather focus our attention on a tall athletic center, who would give us that ability to alter shots in the paint when Yao is not in the game (or if he is hurt).

I feel like the Rockets have been trying to get this backup center for pretty much the entire decade, and every year ended up settling on Mutombo as a temporary band-aid. I think the inability to get that backup center for so many years is Rockets management's biggest failure.

Also, I love the guy, but the more I think about it, the less it makes sense to pick up Chuck's option next season. If he agrees to sign for cheaper then maybe.

 

They are both equaling that production right now on a per 36 minutes basis.

Jordan Hill (per 36 minutes): 14.2 PPG, 8.7 TRB
Tyrus Thomas (per 36 minutes): 13.6 PPG, 9.7 TRB

I prefer Hill to Thomas because he is younger and locked up for awhile, but they are both young and promising power forwards, in my opinion.

 

This times a million. Chicago deal is way better, and this trade makes sense for 3 teams:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygbqjvt

Chicago gets back a big, which it's losing 3 of, a backup pg that's pretty solid, and filler.

 

The Bulls deal is great, what is everybody smoking ?? I remember people wanting Miller before and this our chance, forget about the other pieces. Miller knows RA's system, fixes our center problem now and can definetly be here for a year or two playing back-up for Yao. Thomas gives us athleticism and shot blocking. The other in Salmons / James (is it clear who they're offering?) can help maybe.

In the Knicks deal nothing helps u now and nothing will help us in the future except for 1 draft pick. Since Morey loves those, he will probably take that deal like 44% of you morons. Hill is not going to get a whole lot better, at least with Thomas a change of scenery can do something good.

 

The Bulls deal is not better. Their players will help us win what this year? They are barely helping them win in the East. With or without those players, this team is first round fodder at best. And we don't even know where a draft pick is coming from in that deal....

 

Heh, are you serious? You can't take a guy who plays barely 10 minutes of garbage time and then just say this is how much he'd produce if he played 36 minutes.

Besides, Scola's 36 minute stats are 17.5/10. And he shoots better from the field.