I like Bulls and hope we can send Dorsey to Bulls. Want to see him play with Rose. :grin: If the management choose NY trade, I think it mainly for money saving and the future pick. Bulls player can help us more than NY.
Do we know whether the Bulls deal is going to include any picks? If it's their 2010 first rounder (not a swap, just give it to us) then that could trump what New York is offering. I'll take an extra middle first round pick right now over maybe moving up next year and an extra unknown position pick the year after.
Lottery picks are nothing more than potential and a flip of a coin.... Nothing is guaranteed with a Lottery Pick.... So I don't put a lot of stock into them... Some of the best players in the league are low first round and second round draft picks.
All i can say is. If McGrady don't goto NY and goes some where else, they'll look back and say dayum 'we should have offered Lee or Gallinari' especially if nobody signs with them. But management could be relunctant at the same time if they know there is a better deal in place that can help the team more, just because they don't want to see McGrady win a chip some where else before he retires 'IF' there is some kind of hate relationship between Rockets -McGrady. Than factor in that Les is also a Knicks fan which would definately favor the trade more. Then this would suggest it's more about saving money/ not really smart business - over winning a few more games.
Bring it on Chicago?! 1. The Rockets should not be looking for immediate help, or placing any kind of emphasis on it. This team is going nowhere this season and it's best to jockey for a better draft pick. 2. Brad Miller is old and a scrub. He's not an upgrade over David Anderson. 3. Tyrus Thomas hasn't shown any signs of consistency after 4 years in the league. What's the point of 30 seconds of dominance followed by 5 minutes of no production? IMO he doesn't have the bball IQ to put it together as a starter, 3 years is when even the latest bloomers are expected to show some signs of life. He would be a frustrating guy to have even for the MLE. 4. John Salmons is a wild card. His handles would be nice to have along with Brooks in the backcourt and he fits like a glove in Adelman's offense. However, I don't know how much of an impact he can have for a winning basketball team. So this isn't a better deal by any stretch of the imagination. IMO Jordan Hill will not translate to the NBA but Donnie Walsh is going to be desperately throwing things at Morey to get rid of Jeffries' contract. So it will be interesting to see how Morey leverages the two teams against each other while looking to move Battier as well. No point speculating any further until something actually goes down.
I can't believe some people on this board are actually choosing the Chi deal over the NY deal. Chi - A bunch of expires, no draft picks (reportedly) NY - Nice raw big man rookie (cheap and under contract), and two picks. This is too easy. :grin:
Where does it outline the Chicago deal? I thought we didn't know whether they were including draft picks or not. If it includes their 2010 first rounder that automatically better than what the Knicks are offering IMO.
Exactly.. Everything is all specualation at this point.... All i've heard is that the deals are close to being the same.
They probably were, but GS already said ('IF' they was recieving Deng) would use Morrow as a trade commodity. They would be trading a center 'Biedrins' which was already mentioned before, for Deng? We could get Hinrich and Biedrins/Morrow while McGrady goes to Chicago. The trade even works without Morrow, but if picks were the hold back, then Morrow solves the deal possibly.
If Morey can get a good draft pick from Chicago, I would lean toward trading with the Bulls. Salmons is a much better shooter than Huges, especially shooting the three ball. Salmons has recently shot 47% from the field in the past couple of seasons, even though he is a little down this season at 42%, he is 38% from behind the arc. He has also had 7 games with 20 or more points and has proven over the years to be a good consistant shooter. He should also benefit playing with Yao, getting more open looks. If you are going to be stuck with a bad contract, better to have a productive player. Jefferies & Hughes are terrible shooters. Miller would work great in Adelman's offense and could possibly be resigned to back up Yao. Thomas is a player that a lot of teams want. If we don't resign him, he would be a good candidate for a sign-n-trade. He would do wonders protecting our basket, very athletic and a good shot blocker. He is also one of the leaders in steals, averaging 1.7 per game, even though he plays about 22 minutes a game. I would love to see him play get a chance to play some at the 5 position. IMO, another player that would fit nicely with Yao. I like his game much better than Hill's, and it seems his type of game is what this team needs. I also worry about Hill and his inability to get much playing time on a bad team.
I some what agree. Dont need long-term contracts tied up, because they are still testing things and running different things. Bring in people who know the system and played in it before 'if' taking on the better - bad contract. I do know Deng was being watched really closely by Toronto before he resigned with Chicago. They was going to sign Deng at one point. If we are after Deng 'perhapes', than he would be part of a deal that could be used to trade for Bosh during the offseason maybe. I do know though, if Chicago is going to make a deal they wont mess around. More than likely they'll swing for the fences as long as they know 'long-term' contracts are being moved for McGrady. This positions them 'i think' for Bosh and Wade during the offseason.
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If the Rockets go for the Chicago trade and think about signing Miller in the offseason they are dead wrong. He has said he wants to play for Chicago or Indiana which are close to his home and family or retire.
If thats true, I doubt he'd leave something like 5 million a year for the next 2 years on the table. nba players would do anything to stay in the league but that chicago package is just horrible unless they include TWO picks. not one, but two picks. miller accomplishses nothing for us this season
I'm going to go ahead and break this trade down my way. Feel free to read it. Tyrus Thomas vs. Jordan Hill + draft picks No brainer here. Tyrus has incredible athleticism... but that's about it. He has no offensive game that he can build on. Jordan Hill has solid potential to be a good role player. He's got good size, good athleticism, good length, good shot-blocking ability, and a reliable jumpshot. Thomas has the potential to be a below average role player. Throw in the draft picks, and the Knicks win this part in a landslide. That's assuming the picks are not protected. If they are protected... then it's closer than I thought. Knicks still win, though. Brad Miller vs. Larry Hughes Honestly, at this point in their careers, they are pretty much in the same ballpark. The difference between them is that Brad Miller has the ability to leave that ballpark... Larry Hughes is locked in the locker room. Miller has shown the ability to knock down shots with great consistency throughout his career, so it's possible he can turn it around. Larry Hughes has always sucked, and he will probably be completely out of the league after this season. Bulls win this part. John Salmons vs. Jared Jeffries Yeah, let's go with Salmons here. I think he fell into the trap of too much pressure, and it got to him this season. He still has good shooting ability and good defensive skills. Jeffries, on the other hand, is nothing but an extremely below average player. I'll take Salmons in a heartbeat here. So, basically, these are pretty close deals. I'm leaning toward the Chicago side because I think they add more to our team right now. I like this lineup going into the rest of the season; Miller - Hayes - Andersen Scola - Landry - Thomas Ariza - Battier - Budinger Salmons - Budinger - Taylor Brooks - Lowry (when he comes back) - Temple Switching Salmons and Battier (with Ariza starting at 2) is another way we could go with it. Salmons would add more offense to the second team in that situation... as well as give them a good outside defender.
appreciate the opinion. but I disagree. new york deal is much better for the team. do you really think that lineup can get us anywhere this season? what happens after this season is over? trust me, I LOVE JOHN SALMONS. but we could get him for peanuts in the offseason if we wanted to. when it matters the most, which is when yao comes back, we'd want those picks much more than any brad millers or tyrus thomases we get
If there are any teams willing to deal for Hinrich in exchange for expiring contract/s only I'd prefer that over Salmons.
