Hill is in the playing rotation. Marcus isn't even getting minutes. Jordan Hill gets more minutes than Joey Dorsey. They are both crap players anyway. It's about getting a potential star or borderline star. The #1 way to get a stars and borderline stars is through lottery picks. LeBron, Wade, Kobe, Brandon Roy. Let's not kid ourselves. Most teams acquired their stars through drafting. The Garnett and Gasol deals are rare trades. Most stars aren't acquired through trades but drafts.
Dorsey's poor work ethic is the killer. Morey can give Dorsey's passport back, now. Nobody has to worry about his frequent trips to Mexico and crappy practices and games, anymore. Dorsey will get in much more trouble in New York city than in Houston. I can struggling in games, due to all night partying. NYC never sleeps.
I think jordan hill is a bust. He hasn't much in the summer league or the season, and it isn't like he is super young. I wouldn't mind taking him back except he has a guaranteed contract.
Some of you guys have huge balls. I don't think I would ever disagree with DM at this point when it comes to finding young talent. If DM thinks he has it in him, I do too...
I think if its just about interior PRESENCE, out of the 2 players Dorsey can give more immediate goon muscle, stronger rebounding. Jordan Hill is a worker but not an imposer and a little more raw. Dorsey can play more effective plug-in minutes being a Chuck Hayes type, the specialist off the bench. Whereas Hill might give you more all around average minutes. Basically Dorsey's game has identity, Hill is more all-around generic. Though Hill's upside maybe current is still better
of course they want to give us Hughes, he has negative value, getting paid way to much and he isn't much of a player anymore. i'd take Harrington, i'd definitely demand Harrington rather than Hughes.
Agreed. In fact, the upside argument alone pretty much cancels out any current advantages Dorsey has, IMO. Dorsey is and will likely continue to be a fringe NBA player (sorry, I don't get all goo-goo-ga-ga over one game where nobody was guarding him or boxing him out). 6'7", little between the ears, work ethic issues, no skills and being on the wrong side of 25 will do that to you. Plus, you simply can't have Dorsey and the Chuckwagon both getting minutes in your rotation. Hill is good enough to give developmental minutes to right now and he's easily the player I wouldn't think twice about giving minutes to ahead of a guy like Dorsey regardless of who may or may not be just a tad bit better at the moment. I get the OP's point, though. I get it, I still disagree on all accounts but I get his main point no less.
Under the assumption that Scola and Lowry we cost about 10M per year combined, and the Cap is around 53M to 55M, we can decline to pick up Chuck's option, trade Andersen + 3M to a team w/ cap space for a crap draft pick, and use some or all of the MLE to resign them. That should do it.
The OldMan is off his rocker! lol, no really, I much rather have a poor man's Chris Bosh than Joey Dorsey. Even if he turns into a bust, what did we lose? Joey Dorsey and T-Mac, who was no use to us. Even with that, we still get those draft picks. Honestly, since Butler is no more and no deal for AI2, this is the best deal we can get. We don't get any draft picks or a young stud by letting Mac's contract expire.
I said it before, I'll say it again. Jordan Hill has done well for a raw, inexperienced rookie. He is attacking from all parts of the court and hitting from mid-range as well as at the basket. His rebound rate is fantastic and he's really crashing the offensive boards. His block rate is good. His efficiency is pretty average from the position which is fine for a rook. He didn't start playing basketball until relatively late and he doesn't have as much PT under his belt as a lot of similar aged guys, but he's already showing the kind of tools that have scouts comparing him to Chris Bosh (albeit a very raw version). Nobody is saying he will be that kind of talent, but you can't say he won't, either. And just because the Knicks organization is only giving him 10 minutes per game doesn't mean much. How much PT have we been giving Dorsey again? Heck even Budinger, our highest usage rookie, is getting less than 20 minutes per game, despite Ariza have missed some games from injuries/suspension.
Jordan Hill has the physical tools, footwork, SHOT BLOCKING, athletic inside presence, and a 7'1'' wingspan. Brought along proper, the potential to be a solid 15/10/1.5 is there. His bball IQ is questionable. People are in love with Dorsey on this board for whatever reasons and I like him as well. Monster on the boards and brings a lot of energy, but the guy doesn't have the upside anywhere near Hill.
It's all that is being served. Have a glass. Or you could not and enjoy the misery that is, in some form, surely coming your way. He is a hustler. Why do I get the feeling DM is well aware of that fact? and awesome hair.
I really didn't hear somebody try and say that Dorsey was better than Hill in college did I? I'm totally for this deal even if Jordan Hill doesn't turn out to be anything special, but I think he will. I watched a lot of Arizona these past few years because a guy I graduated with is playing there, he probably won't play in the NBA but it's still cool. Anyways Jordan Hill showed loads of potential in college, high percentage around the rim, decent mid-range jumpshot and goes hard on the offensive glass. He as a defensive force in college, yet to be seen what he will do in the pros, but watching him mature in college was fun. The main drawbacks watching him at Arizona was his inconsistency and in inexperience, both things that come with time. Dorsey was never that impressive in college, except maybe on the defensive end against other undersized players, so don't try to make that argument, you sound ridiculous.
Is Dorsey being protected for a fallback trade (packaged with Cook) if McGrady isn't moved? It only took him two games after a breakout game to play himself out of the rotation. That seems like a very short leash... Unless they're showcasing Andersen?
