Not to complicate the issue, but why not flip Butler and whatever contracts make it work for Iggy? That way, Philadelphia will have exprings to play with next year, or, in any case, simply lose Dalembert and Butler at the same time, then re-tool....? If we keep it simple, I'm okay with getting Butler and Haywood. A real center (expiring) and Butler, whose game-slippage might be largely attributed to playing on a sucky team with a headcase gun-totin' PG. Maybe Morey is looking not to have long-term deals until the next CBA is ratified. The negotiations should only kill one NBA season, anyway.
I only read a couple of pgs and didn't know if this was discussed but IMO harrington and antawn jamison are kind of redundant aren't they? Why would they want both then unless one is expiring or something
I think you're close. Nate Robinson has veto rights on any trade, and I doubt that he'd waive them in order to go to Washington. I think the trade may look something like this: Houston gets: Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood, Deshawn Stevenson New York gets: Tracy McGrady Washinton gets: Al Harrington, Cuttino Mobley, Chase Budinger, NY's 2nd rd. pick and cash The Rockets get some quality talent in exchange for an expiring contract AND still retain long-term salary cap flexibility. Oh, and just as important: they get below the luxury tax in one fell swoop, meaning that they won't have to spend money to dump Brian Cook (who will likely be waived in order to complete this trade). The Knicks get their "marquee player" to make a playoff run, or at least have a "big name" to sell to their fans, who have finally come to the realization that they don't have their first rounder this year. The Wizards get expiring contracts (Harrington, Mobley), a good young player (Budinger), a pretty decent pick and cash. Even though Washington adds a small amount of "team salary", the insurance savings from Mobley's contract actually net out to about a $1.5M gain (not including the cash). Bottom line: I just don't see any way that Washington parts with both Butler and Haywood for nothing more than expiring contracts, and New York doesn't really have much in the way of young assets that they'd be willing to part with. Chase Budinger is the logical choice to be the "young talent" included in this trade. Otherwise, if I'm the Wizards' GM, I want nothing to do with this proposed deal. And the long-term salary cap flexibility this trade gives Houston (relative to the other trade scenarios thrown out there) cannot be understated. Come 2011, there will be a RADICALLY different CBA in place, with player contracts being much more "team-friendly". This trade positions the Rockets to avoid whatever hardships they would otherwise face if they were drastically over the proposed "hard cap" under the CBA, even if they were grandfathered in. Haywood's expiring contract is $6M (with a $9M cap hold). The cap hold amount shouldn't matter, however, since the additions of Butler and Stevenson (~$14.7M combined in 2010-11) would completely eat away any salary cap room for the Rockets. If Stevenson is included in the trade, then based on initial estimates for next year's luxury tax threshold (again, only guesses at this point), the Rockets would have about $11-12M in room with which to re-sign Scola, Lowry and/or Haywood. Of course, Haywood (an unrestricted free agent) could be signed-and-traded to a team with cap room in exchange for a future pick or other asset that takes up minimal team salary next year. I also have a feeling that the Rockets will look to trade Battier this summer (if he's not traded by next week) in order to clear a little extra room. Remember, though, that even if the Rockets exceed the tax threshold this summer, Morey has until February 2011 in order to get back below the tax threshold.
This trade probably isn't even on Kobes radar. Caron who ? We still wont be a title contender with this addition, but it helps.
I hope we or the knicks can give the Wiz something to get this done. I think Butler would fit very well here. I also like having Haywood as a legit back up C. Butler is a true scorer in the NBA. He doesn't shoot a lot of 3s so I think that is what we have been looking for for a while now. A guy that attacks the basket and has a good mid range game. He gets to the FT line and can be a clutch performer. He has been stuck on a bad Wiz team for far too long. Put him with our group and I believe he will thrive. Haywood would give us a true basket protector on the floor. Some length and size to clog up the paint. That will help guys like battier and Ariza on defense. They can funnel their man into the big. Not having that makes their defense look subpar this year. I just hope we dont have to give up one of our young core players to make this work. I hope the knicks will send that player to the wiz. We may also need another player back in the deal to make salaries match. Maybe knicks send us Mobley's contract for salary purposes.
I think we'll have to send a 2nd round pick along with NY's 2nd. NY is getting involved to net Washington an <i>extra </i> pick, along with insurance of Mobley like you stated (pretty sure they'd have asked for our 2nd anyways, but it would not have been enough). This scenario is smart because had we not found a 3rd party with an extra pick and insurance savings, Washington could've asked that either we take Stevenson or we give up a 1st rounder if we're to net both Butler and Haywood. This way all we're losing is Bud and a 2nd rounder. If we do get stuck taking Stevenson regardless, we ought to try to trade D.Anderson asap. Also it couldnt hurt to see what a Battier can get you.
I've heard again and again that Toronto won't be trading Bosh this season. I've also heard that the Heat are offering Beasley and filler for Amare. If we want to compete for Amare (which we don't), we need to give up more than Scola or Batttier. The Suns will probably want Brooks and Landry.
Agree, I would probably be equally excited about getting Haywood as I would with aquiring Butler. Haywood adds some serious length to an otherwise very small frontline and he would help extend Yao's career if they could resign him. I know some very astute Spurs fans (which most are not) and they fear the Rockets aquiring Haywood more than they fear Butler.
Accodring to Channel 2's website, the Rockets are holding a news conference at 10:30...right now. http://www.click2houston.com/video/10913036/index.html
Funny, we would have spent money to buy the pick to get Buddinger, and then use him to grease a deal that gets us the player we want in Butler and then save money in the same move. I guess this goes to show the importance of Morey picking the right guys in the draft. He creates value out of thin air. As to this offseason, you're dead on, If we have $11-12MM to re-sign Lowry, Scola and Haywood, and possibly deal Battier or Butler, that's basically a blank canvas for Morey to pursue sign and trade scenarios, expirings, picks, you name it. This trade buys us time to get more information on the CBA, Butler's health and tread on tires, and Yao's health.
