The guy I really want is Chris Paul. Successful Trade Scenario Congratulations on a successful trade. Due to Houston and New Orleans being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston and New Orleans had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Trade ID Trade ID #5435597 Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. Try Another Trade or visit our Trade Forum. Houston Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: +24.9 ppg, +2.8 rpg, and +11.2 apg. Incoming Players Chris Paul 6-1 PG from Wake Forest 20.4 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 11.2 apg in 38.7 minutes Peja Stojakovic 6-9 SF / SG from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign) 12.0 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 30.1 minutes Outgoing Players Tracy McGrady 6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS) 3.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 7.6 minutes Joey Dorsey 6-9 PF from Memphis 1.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.9 minutes Jermaine Taylor 6-4 SG from Central Florida 2.5 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.4 minutes New Orleans Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: -24.9 ppg, -2.8 rpg, and -11.2 apg. Incoming Players Tracy McGrady 6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS) 3.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 7.6 minutes Joey Dorsey 6-9 PF from Memphis 1.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.9 minutes Jermaine Taylor 6-4 SG from Central Florida 2.5 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.4 minutes Outgoing Players Chris Paul 6-1 PG from Wake Forest 20.4 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 11.2 apg in 38.7 minutes Peja Stojakovic 6-9 SF / SG from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign) 12.0 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 30.1 minutes Let's throw in cash, picks, whatever they want.
In looking at all the trade scenarios, one thing jumps out to me. That seemingly every potential trade partner wants something valuable back for giving up anything. What varies is perhaps what level of disparity their is between the two. So my thoughts bring me to this: 1) Does Morey or anyone else think we will get REAL talent merely for T-macs expiring contract? 2) Who are we willing to give up assuming we find no suitor to the above? If Morey sticks to the idea of not breaking up the core, this seems to indicate he wouldnt trade a starter or a regular rotation player. This would leave Dorsey, Cook, JT, or one of our D-league guys. Cook has no TALENT value to anyone, so scratch him. That doesnt leave much. Certainly not enough for another team to relinquish a valuable asset(s) and feel like they are getting a valuable asset(s) in return. So, in my rookie analysis of things, if other teams stick to their guns, we will be lucky to get a decent player coming off the bench in a t-mac "only" deal, much less a valuable starter or "go to" guy. Desperation on the part of some other team seems the only factor that would change the above. In this, Morey is right to wait to the last moment before pulling any triggers. But even in this scenario, their will be a few other buyers contending in any fire sale. And if they are willing to give talent for talent, and we are not, then our bargaining position isnt a very good one. If the other fire sale attendees are only offering 2nd and 3rd tier players, then we got a shot. But this ongoing idea that someone is going to give away their assets merely for cap room in the hope of then signing multiple free agents is a fairy tale for most teams. The big names just are not going to go to some teams. I see NY as the single possible exception to this. Sure the Wizards, Sixers, Raptors and such would sign sombody if they had mega $$$ under the cap. But it wont be LeBron or Wade. So I come to the conclusion that we MUST give up somebody we covet. I say this because the team we have + Yao isnt a finals contender.
Houston Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: +43.5 ppg, +17.9 rpg, and +5.2 apg. Incoming Players Troy Murphy 6-11 PF from Notre Dame 14.1 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.2 minutes Danny Granger 6-8 SF from New Mexico 22.5 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 2.7 apg in 35.7 minutes Mike Dunleavy 6-8 SF from Duke 11.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 24.4 minutes Outgoing Players Tracy McGrady 6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS) 3.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 7.6 minutes Brian Cook 6-9 PF from Illinois 1.3 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.1 apg in 2.5 minutes Are lottery pick #14 Indiana Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: -43.5 ppg, -17.9 rpg, and -5.2 apg. Incoming Players Tracy McGrady 6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS) 3.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 7.6 minutes Brian Cook 6-9 PF from Illinois 1.3 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.1 apg in 2.5 minutes Outgoing Players Troy Murphy 6-11 PF from Notre Dame 14.1 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.2 minutes Danny Granger 6-8 SF from New Mexico 22.5 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 2.7 apg in 35.7 minutes Mike Dunleavy 6-8 SF from Duke 11.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 24.4 minutes
I didn't think it was significant enough to create a thread and not related to the Sixers or Wiz but still somewhat news worthy so it finds a home here. During Chris Sheridan's chat today someone asked about Hinrich to the Lakers... So the fact he mentions something like that would mean thats been discussed. Used to be big on Ty Thomas but that dude seems like a ticking timebomb yet tons of talent there. Salmons and Hinrich are nice players but it would mean committing 15 million next season to these guys and an option for 6 more on Thomas. I'd CONSIDER Thomas/Salmons/Hinrich + #1 pick for TMAC Brooks/Lowry/Temple Salmons/Hinrich/Taylor Ariza/Budinger Scola/Landry/Dorsey Thomas/Hayes/Cook/Yao
To be honest with you, I'd take a Bulls deal. If we had to take Salmons, well, Adelman's coached him before. If we took Hinrich, I'd line up a deal for one of our other PGs to go; Hinrich isn't a great shooter, yes he makes $9 mil, but he's 6'3", plays D, shoots the 3, and his contract goes down in the next couple years. (Heck, send Brooks to his stomping grounds and bring back Rudy Fernandez as a side deal---but I digress.) But we'd probably aim for one of their expiring contract centers in the deal. Don't want to overload on contracts. IF Chicago is really in the running. This could have been pure speculation on Sheridan's part. At least he's backed off the "I see the best option for the Rockets is trading with New York for their expirings so the Rox can save money" stance he's taken in past chats.
I see Chicago as a darkhorse team. Ehh well not really darkhorse but a back burner team where I think both teams could agree on a deal, say if it was last minute/hour or if all else fails.
One possible trade scenario that could net the Rockets some Bulls players and Rudy Fernandez, WITHOUT trading away Brooks (just throwing this out there): Chicago receives: Tracy McGrady and Patrick Mills Portland receives: Tyrus Thomas and David Andersen Houston receives: Kirk Hinrich, John Salmons, Rudy Fernandez and Steve Blake Chicago clears up over $14M in additional salary cap room this summer, making them easily the #1 player in 2010 free agency. Portland gets the big man they so desperately need in Thomas, along with another "tall body" to throw out there in Andersen. Houston gets three quality guards in Hinrich, Salmons and Fernandez, with the understanding the Blake would be waived/bought out so that he could re-sign with Portland in 30 days. This might be what allows the Blazers to agree to such a trade, viewing it as basically a "Fernandez-for-Thomas" swap. This trade would also get the Rockets below the luxury tax threshold without having to bribe another team to take Brian Cook, although I believe that one of Cook, Taylor or Dorsey (most likely Cook) would have to be waived in order to complete the trade, unless a minor separate trade is made beforehand. The Rockets' 2010-11 team salary would be a lot higher due to the salaries of Hinrich ($9.0M) and Salmons ($5.8M, if he doesn't opt out). But, the Rockets should still have about $8-10M (depending on where the new luxury tax threshold is set in July) to sign their first rounder and to re-sign Scola and Lowry. With Hinrich and Fernandez, though, the Rockets won't feel much pressure to "pay up" to keep Lowry. Even if they do, Les may opt to exceed the luxury tax threshold, with the understanding that Morey (once again) try to make a deal by February 2011 to get back below the tax (i.e., trading Battier, Salmons, Hayes or Dorsey) Brooks/Hinrich Fernandez/Salmons/Taylor Ariza/Battier/Budinger Scola/Landry/Hayes Yao/Dorsey (Not even including Lowry [who could also be signed-and-traded for a future pick], the team's 2010 first rounder or any use of the MLE or LLE) Looks like a pretty damn good team to me.
I love Fernandez, but I think he's a long shot to pick up. I think a backcourt of Hinrich and Brooks could work well.
That's a pretty trippy deal. I'm trying to wrap my head around the fact that your lineup for next year doesn't include Lowry! That, and who we'd have playing out the remainder of the season. We still don't have a real center, have lost Andersen (not a big loss, going by his overall play to date), and have an amazing number of guards/wings. Yeah, pretty trippy. At least it wouldn't be a boring team to watch. Brooks/Hinrich/Lowry? Fernandez/Salmons/Taylor Ariza/Battier/Budinger Scola/Landry/Hayes Hayes/Dorsey
I would like to trade Shane Battier for Raja Bell and Anthony Morrow. Raja is expiring (5.25 Mil)and Morrow is a 3 point machine. Raja Bell plays great defense and might be able to play this year after his rehab. We get Battier off the books for next year and might want to pick up Raja next year. Anthony Morrow could thrive with all the kick outs from Yao. Morrow might like it in Houston. What do you think?
Trevor Ariaz for Raja Bell and anthony Morrow works as well. I just don't see golden State having any interest in trevor.....
Chris Sheridan had a random trade idea involving Houston and Chicago: http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors#14343 What a terrible trade. Salmons/Hinrich aren't even that good and would tie up salaries next season. We don't need Hinrich, and Salmons' year last season appears to have been a fluke. I love how ESPN tends to think Houston will take trash back.
Dam Bima thats a pretty mind blowing deal but anything that gets Fernandez in Rox red is good in my book plus all the financial benefits and options that it gives Morey. Basically give up TMAC/Andersen for Fernandez/Salmons/Hinrich that sounds good to me with everything considered.
I think a good trade could be made between the rockets, 76ers and Heat. One scenario I like has: Rockets Incoming: Andre Iguodala Jermaine Oneal Outgoing: T-Mac Shane Battier 76ers Incoming: T-Mac Mario Chalmers Shane Battier Outgoing: Andre Iguodala Samuel Dalembert Jrue Holiday Heat Incoming: Samuel Dalembert Jrue Holiday Outgoing: Jermaine Oneal Mario Chalmers OR some other variation, perhaps including D. Wade since hes unhappy. All I'm trying to say is there could be a good trade between these three teams. Maybe replace Battier with Scola? and include Beasley in this trade somehow or Udonis Haslem's expiring contract... I dont know. But, 76ers can get rid of Dalembert and bring in T-Mac's valuable contract while also picking up a young PG (who might suck) and a vet in Battier. Miami likes this because they don't have to rely on Oneal as there center and they get a young talented point guard, something they need (see Rafer). The only reason Miami wouldn't like the trade is because they dont want to add Dalembert's $12 million to next year's salary as they plan to be a big player in the Free Agency. Maybe James Jones' 4 yr $5million dollar contract can be added to the trade too.... hmmm too much to think about. And I think the Rockets love the trade cause they'll get Iggy and shed the $23 million on Oneal's contract anyway. Iggy would replace Battier so no point in keeping him as I would think the Rockets would build around a young core.
I guess I just dont get your fondness of Hinrich. Outside of Yao, he would be the highest paid player on the team. Thats a ton of money for a backup PG. This also pushes Budinger further down the bench. I like the Rudy part, as well as getting under the tax line, but that lineup doesnt excite me very much. Seems like a second round team at max to me.
The Bulls are desperate to unload Tyrus Thomas after his altercation with Del Negro. TT just seems like the perfect moneyball player, high ceiling, high energy, greate defense, could probably lowball him on a contract and you could lowball the Bulls who could just end up releasing him. Maybe something like: Thomas, Hinrich and or Salmons to the Rockets Scola and McGrady to the Bulls Last year Salmons was getting 38 mpg and averaged 18 pts with great fg%, Hinrich is solid and I would love to see Thomas paired up with Yao.
I'm not sure that team is good enough to win it all - we still wouldn't have a legitimate star to pair with Yao. Rudy is a nice player, but he's not on the caliber of an Iguodala/Butler player right now, and I think it's too much just to assume he will eventually get to that level. Hinrich isn't that much of an upgrade over Lowry, who he would essentially be replacing - in fact I'm not sure he's an upgrade at all. Lowry completely changes the game when he's in there and is probably good enough to start for most teams. I think Lowry brings an energy to our team not many can provide. Essentially, this deal boils down to using McGrady to fill our hole at the two guard, which is a pressing need as neither Ariza nor Battier are SGs. This deal nets us Rudy and Salmons, both solid options at SG and should fill our void there. My holdup with this deal is it doesn't make us a championship contender, but I admit it does make us a better team than we are currently. This should be set aside with the Knicks offer as a last resort type option - IMO the Rockets need to making finding that second star to pair with Yao their first priority.
And if they can't then they need to look deeper into the future. I still don't think another player below the talent McGrady used to be will even make us a contender. Really you need to bring in 2 types of lower-level talents of McGrady to be a contender. Jamison/Butler is it worth the risk? Is it worth the financial concern?
