Dorsey is an unknown, since we haven't seen him play enough, while we know what Chuck Hayes brings. Can't compare them or can't even say Dorsey has more potential until we've seen more of Dorsey.
If he had been skippin out on practice or games to go to Mexico then that's what we would have heard...that he skipped practice/games...but we didnt. That means he put in his time with the team officially...now if the team think he needs more time with them unofficially, then that's subjective. How much is too many trips? did they think 5 trips was too much and 3 was ok? how much is enough unofficial time? Like you said, he's a grown man. He should be able to do what he wants in his off time, in other words, the team can't just take his passport away because it interefered with his off time. there's no legal justification there, no reason for Dorsey to hand it over if they demanded it. So to me it sounds like they didnt take it by force, but instead they went to him and said "let us hold on to it so you're not temped to keep going", or ", llets us hold on to it during the week", something like that. i think it had more to do with his safety and the frequent trips possibly affecting his health to where he wasnt 100% in practice (sleepy for example.). If he's putting in his official time and working his butt of while there, it's not fair to say he has a poor work ethic. Maybe he doesnt go above and beyond, which is unfortunate, but it shouldnt make his overall attempt a poor one.
Terrific write up. I just rep'ed you. Dorsey has an opportunity here. He has shown he can played meaningful minutes in these last two games. Dorsey needs to grab the bull by the horns, and show that he belongs in a NBA roster. Chuck's tendinitis must be really bothering him. In the last two games, he has not played the Chuck Hayes defense that we have accustomed to seeing.
If it is a one possesion game like 10 seconds to go in the 4th and opponent has the ball to tie or win the game, I'll choose chuck, he always make the right decision. But if it is a 3 mins span, I'm not sure who i'd like to have, with dorsey we may have some extra possesions because of his rebounding while chuck could make us lose some def reb
Both guys are unfortunately undersized. I mean Dorsey is a 6'8 forward. Tmac is 6'8 and is a guard. Chuck is probably a better defender, but is offensively challenged. Also, Dorsey sounds like 50 cent.
one of the dumbest threads ever... chuck hayes is the anchor of the defense when he is in. he is the best team defensive player the rockets have! hes one of the top 10 low post defenders in the league! he is an excellent rebounder for someone his size and with the length of his arms (short).
Dorsey is not a better help defender than Hayes. Yes, Dorsey is a much better blocker from the weak side. But that does not mean he is a better help defender. Hayes always makes the right rotation. And he is probably one of the best PnR defenders in the whole league because of his versatility. The only things Dorsey are better than Hayes: 1. Shot blocking 2. Rebounding (only slightly) 3. Dunking 4. Free throw shooting (maybe) There is reason why Hayes is replacing Yao Ming as the starting center and Dorsey is just trying to graduate from the D-league.
Disagree, ive watched every summer league and preseason game of Dorsey since he's been here and there have been times on the court where he is straight up blocking anyone that attacks. he's hasn't been erasing the last two games but trust me, he most def can protect the rim.
I disagree with the part about Chuck being a bad rebounder and help defender. For his size, he should be playing a guard or small forward position, but because of his strength, he's a center. He has a nose for the ball, and frequently gets offensive rebounds, and yes, he does box out. Chuck may not be able to block many shots, but he's terrific at coming from the weak side and taking the charge. Go to 1:43. Go to <object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/s-LqUzRffDU&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/s-LqUzRffDU&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object>
IMO this is the problem. At the center position Chuck has the size to defend post up moves but he doesn't have the size to change shots. He's a phenomenal rebounder for his size because of his box out skills but we don't need someone that can out do themselves we need someone who is a good rebounder in general.
Exactly. That's why the Rockets need to get rid of both of them. As starters, they would only be taller than Brooks and shorter than Ariza/Battier(6'8"). That's ridiculous to have your center as the 2nd shortest player in the starting lineup. We need somebody with the size to change shots, at least 6'9".
I have a feeling that Joey was being showcased to Chris Wallace so as we could trade him as a sweetner with Cook to Memphis to get under the LT.
The real issue with Dorsey, despite his recent adequate performance, is that he is likely a knuckle head who will revert to form as soon as he is even a little bit comfortable. The warning signs were there from the beginning when he balked at doing the usual rookie stuff, like carrying luggage. And he has continued to live up to that reputation. Staff had to take his passport. WTF. Right now, he's doing okay under extreme pressure. Basically, he toes the line or he's out of the league. What happens when he gets a little bit of wiggle room? I don't think it's going to be pretty.
Still too early, but indicatations are that Dorsey can be semi-productive in the league (ala his Memphis Tiger days). Dude is an athletic freak, and if he continues to work on his game can become a solid rotation player. Will he ever be similar to Landry offensively, no. But his defense/rebounding/shot blocking has the potential to make up for his offensive inabilities. And actually, he's shown signs of at least being a threat offensively (unlike Hayes). His post passing has been surprising to say the least. Hopefully he'll continue to get minutes!
Yep. There have been a few minor occurrences that tell me the guy is space cadet. If he really has taken two steps forward I expect his step back will come any day now.
No, it looks to be exactly what you said. You gave Dorsey the "edge" in almost every category, it was ridiculous. In particular when you said Chuck is and never will be a good rebounder. You obviously don't know that aspect of the game very well or you don't watch The Rockets games. Chuck boxes out better than anyone on the team and enables other players like Scola and Battier to crash the boards and get rebounds. As someone else pointed out, Chuck doesn't play enough minutes to average double figure rebounds and has a good per 48 because of this. Also, you said Dorsey has been a rebounding machine every he has played. Where else has he played? College and The D-League. The Chuckwagon was a good rebounder in college and lead the D-League in RPG when Houston called him up. Who is the overall better rebounder can be debated, but you sounded very ignorant the way you downplayed Chuck Hayes' rebounding.
Well, actually, he plays center because he lacks guard/small forward skills completely, not because he has center skills. That said, fortunately for him, he does have post-player skills when it comes to rebounding, particular areas of defense and basketball IQ. I'd agree the idea that Dorsey would have such an edge of Chuck in all of these categories is crazy. Joey a better help defender? That's ridiculous. Help defense does not mean coming over to block or challenge every shot - in fact, Joey is going to have to learn how to do this better as is (in regards to actually doing it when he should, and knowing when not to do it so as not to give up an offensive rebound to the post player he just left...which I've seen happen a few times). Moreover, as noted, Chuck's rotation defense is superb. All that said, I am impressed with Joey's play in his two games, and do think he should get more minutes and would prefer he get those minutes at Chuck's expense rather than David Andersen (even if Andersen is really the one who should sit down - he needs more PT just to see if he can develop whereas Chuck is what he is what he is, etc.).
