read this off another board so i cant claim credit but it did have me thinking Ben is the only one who can kill Jacob because he was healed from the water. There were others who were healed in the water too but none of them would have a motive to kill Jacob pretty much every single one of the temple ppl worshipped jacob...Ben on the other hand was an outsider who was healed and was the most corruptable. so when Ben killed Jacob the color of the water changed to red/dark from white to indicate a change in power not necessarily that Jacob was dead (though of course that was the case) and that the water still had its healing properties but now only to those who follow its leader (smokey) thats why the japanese guy was not healed when he dipped his hand in. Now why was it necessary for Sayid to go there? While Sayid didnt follow Jacob or Smokey he did help smokey in his plans and he shot the young ben who was forced to the temple who eventually kills Jacob. So Sayid was able to be healed by the water and now in turn is the only one who can kill Smokey thats why the spirit of Jacob places so much emphasis on making sure that Sayid lives through both Hurley and the note that was in the Ankh. it seems plausible to me and got me thinking about it and it can fit into the Hurley is the new Jacob theory and then maybe Sayid kills smokey and ben becomes the new smokey?
Desmond - I don't know about him popping in and out of existence, but they wouldn't have wasted 2 minutes of Jack noticing his disappearance if it wasn't of note. He'll definitely have gone a different route, since Widmore, Hawking, and Penny aren't in his life. That completely alters his course. He would not have been at the stadium to meet Jack. He should have become a monk and gotten fired....but Hawking's picture at the monastery could hint that even his life that far might be altered. And now, we might wonder if Jacob's death affects Richard's immortality. I'm pretty certain Richard knew exactly what that flare meant (Smokey's loose!) Good call. That's been a headscratcher for me for a couple of reasons. Some twists: It wasn't Rosseau's message that played the numbers. That was the Dharma message (the Valenzetti Equation Dharma was hoping to alter). Rosseau's ship followed those numbers into the Island, and she altered it to play her french SOS. The numbers should have been playing pre-Jughead, and may have creeped their way into Hurley's life somehow. Plot hole - The guy (Sam Toomey) that heard the numbers that passed them on to Connect-Four Leonard....supposedly heard them circa 1988. Post Jughead. John was lying out of shame.
Maybe he just went back to his original seat because he didn't want to have to move for Jack when he came back again?
I'd been wondering how much of the clearly explained theories on time team Abrams put out in Star Trek would apply to Lost. From the premiere, they seem to match up pretty well.
My wife and I came up with this today. Not sure if it's been posted, here or Lost fan sites. Spoiler Q: "What lies in the shadow of the statue" A: John Locke's body
As far as I know, Abrams has little to no involvement with Lost. He was a co-creator and co-wrote and directed the Pilot. His involvement with the show stopped early in Season 1 when he left to start work on Mission Impossible 3. He handed the reighns off to Darlton at that time. They've said in interviews that Abrams watches the show as a fan but that even he has no idea what will happen until the show airs. So if there are similarities in time travel between Lost and Star Trek, it's pobably either coincidental or Darlton borrowing the "rules" from Star Trek.
The answer is: "The one who will save us all". That's the translation of the answer Richard gave in Latin.
he specifically said to Yemi/Smokey that he was not sorry for what he had done... it was then when he was killed by the Smoke Monster. I believe there were other moments when Eko had looked into the eye of the monster, like Locke in a previous season. lostpedia would refer to the Smoke Monster as somewhat of a judge/jury for people who come onto the island... this begins to make more sense now as the storyline of Smokey and his manifestations begin to unravel... I'm trying to think back of all the victims of Smokey... some were killed and some were spared their life, no? pardon my Lost noobishness
Fake Locke tore a piece of the fabric woven at the statue. Was this the same fabric Ilana found in the cabin? Also about Sayid: It was the real Sayid lying in front of the bus, dying. But after coming out of the pool, didn't Miles say something about not hearing anything? Either that means Sayid's possessed or Sayid was alive. I want to think it means Sayid's alive. We've seen smokey be a doppelganger but no actual possessing right? I also think smokey is a separate entity from the man in black. Maybe I'm still under the assumption that it's some sort of judgment being, but maybe it's been acting that way since the beginning just to manipulate John.
i've wondered that myself, so i re-watched it. it seems like it's not the same. the one ilana found in the cabin had a picture of the statue on it. the one flocke had in the statue did not. that's a valid point and most people seem to ignore it. locke wasn't possessed by the smoke monster. in fact, locke's dead and his lifeless body is on the island to prove it. the mib just fooled everyone (including ben) by taking the form of locke but he really wasn't and isn't john locke. another thing to consider with what happened with sayid is the following: Spoiler i've read a spoiler that suggests a third party must be involved. it seems it's not only mib vs. jacob. the spoiler actually states that the mib has a true nemesis and that this nemesis is NOT jacob. i don't know. flocke said to ben "i'm sorry that you had to see me like this" after the smoke monster killed bram and his crew in the statue. that pretty much means that flocke = smoke monster. but jacob also said to flocke "seems like you found your loophole" referring to the scene where the mib told jacob that he would like to kill him. i guess what we can deduce from this is that flocke = mib = smokey.
I'm confused... which ones on the Island are the real humans and which one on the Cylons who look like humans?
I check out the lost forums often and it is long believed that Lost is highly dependent on Egyptian mythology. Many believe the the smoke monster is a representation of Apep, an evil demon identified with darkness an chaos who is often represented as a snake. The snake symbol is seen in the underground temple from last season next to a depiction of smokey. Also an accepted theory is that Richard Alpert is the Egyptian god Ra. This would make since if smokey is Apep, because Apep and Ra were enemies and had many battles. The sun represented the eye of Ra. The sun was very important in Egyptian mythology so Ra had other gods that assisted him in his fight against Apep. The most powerful defender of Ra was Set. Set fought Apep each night so he was Ra's main defender. The thing about Egyptian mythology though is that it changed over time so at one time Set was thought of as god of darkness and chaos and at one time he was a defender of Ra. Now I'm going to go into my theory. Assuming that the above theory is correct and Richard is Ra and smokey is Apep then I believe Jacob is a representation of Set. If that is the case then the battle between Jacob and smokey has more to do with Richard and controlling his actions. Which would make this rumor make sense with GermanRoxFan's rumor. Some things to back up the Jacob as Set theory is that one of Set's wives was Tawaret. We are now certain that the statue on the island is indeed Taweret. Taweret was the goddess of fertility and childbirth. As we know people on the island have trouble having children so this is possibly why the statue was created. If Jacob is a representative of Set then it would make sense that he was living in the base of a statue of his wife. Also Taweret carried an ankh which was the symbol that was in the guitar case that Jacob gave to Hurley. Ra is said to be the connection between the living and the underworld. Ra was the primary god Egyptians worshiped before Christianity took over so he is of key importance. Ra was said to die every night with the sun and reborn at the sunrise. Thus he can't die and maybe why Richard never ages. Apep was also thought to eat up souls so it would make since that smokey is able to transform his image into those who have died (Locke). So I'm thinking that the island is representation of a passage way between the underworld and the living. The battle that is going on between Jacob (Set) and Smokey (Apep) is a battle to control Richard (Ra). Thus a power struggle for the souls of those who pass onto the underworld.
That is some really interesting stuff. I'd love to read more.. do you have a link to the Lost forums you visit?
I still have not watched the premiere yet, but I keep clicking on this thread! Going to watch it tonight. Extremely excited!
Yeah, I registered there but something happened when they tried to e-mail me. I'm under the moniker Mr. Anthony Cooper, It lets me sign in but won't let m post. So I lurk.
