Iggy is a better scorer, rebounder, passer, playmaker, and defender than Butler. He's also younger, more athletic, and clutch. A healthy Yao along with Iggy and Dalembert makes the Rockets true contenders next year. And yes, you'll have to go over the salary cap, but most elite teams are over the cap as well. <object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/QnK95OAly2Q&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/QnK95OAly2Q&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object> <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/dwFz0OF9Amk&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/dwFz0OF9Amk&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Caron Butler is similar production at a cheaper price for less years. you go for the smart deal, not for the player with the best highlights.
I don't know about that Rox are actually ripping off every team. Brooks has about the same value as Butler alone to make a even swap. Then asking for their young assets ain't going to get er done. That like them asking for our young assets just to land Brooks ain't gonna get er done. Wiz are looking for team defenders Battier/Hayes and McGrady to them is the bigger asset to land Brooks for Butler/Haywood.
You go for the better overall player who just happens to be younger, more athletic, clutch, and brings it when it counts the most. And, yes, he's better paid. I actually think having a player of Iggy's skillset locked up for the next 4 years at a little over a $12 million is a good value.
not when it means losing 2 key team contributors and adding a $14 million backup Center. That's not value, that's mismanagement.
Doesn't this depend upon what you think the new CBA will be? For instance, if they go to a hard cap, you might be screwing yourself by having Iggy locked up. If the cap fades in over 3 years as many think it will do, then it would have little impact. But, I would bet Morey is looking hard at cap situations, now, and in upcomming seasons, just as much as he is looking at talent. DD
I agree, I don't like the idea of mortgaging our future for A.I. I don't think that he is the answer of this team's needs. I like Butler with close enough production for less years and less money, and avoiding the albatross that is Dalambert's contract. Do the Butler trade if you must, since it appears to be the best deal the Rockets will get for the player who shall go unnamed. Haywood will be solid for us for a couple of years, Butler will help the Rox bridge the gap to the next era of title contention and if we can sneak in Mike Miller too, thenwe become a playoff team this year, maybe aroung a 6 or 7 seed. Suddenly, we become the team no one wants to face in the playoffs (along with Memphis).
You would also be adding 2 key team contributors. You can trade T-Mac plus Battier to Philly for Iggy and Dalembert. That would lessen the impact of the LT next season. Also, I have no problem letting Scola walk and inserting Landry in the starting lineup. Lowry can then be resigned. Dalembert is a guy that can play play significant mins during the regular season to keep Yao's mpg down and can play alongside Yao as well, which is going to key against a team like the Lakers. Not to mention he's a double-double guy who also gets 2-3 bpg. Plus he'll be an expiring contract next season. Doesn't seem like mismanagement to me. I was just talking about the situation as it currently stands, but I think around $12 million per season for a guy with his skillset either way is a pretty good value.
I see Portland/Houston/Knicks have a seperate deal under the table. Portland was after Lee before Foster and Haywood. Lee already said he'd sign in Portland. NY has a bigger fish to fry with McGrady then to worry about their own Curry/Jeffries. I thought Bayless and Outlaw were being discussed quietly the last 2 seasons. I can see Houston and NY making the exception of doing such a deal only if Houston can get Gallinari/Bayless/Outlaw by taking back Curry/Jeffries. NY will need to move Lee after that statement and Portland will need to remove cap space and make more playing time for Fernandez who is currently unhappy with his role in Portland. NY will want something like Miller who is unhappy with his head coach McMillian and can see him running that offense in NY.
so who is your backup PF? you just lost 15/8 a night not including heart and hustle. you think it sends a good message to Landry in his last year of his contract how you treated Scola. He'll be a goner after that. you do know his $12 mil get's bigger every year up to $15 mil? he's not even a go to guy!-stated by HIS fans and scouts.
25 years old? 17 points 7 rebounds 6 assists 2 steals Never misses a game. Could develop into the very best defender in the league. You CAN go to him in the 4th quarter... Yes please... Find a way to move Dalembert, and we have a deal...
I posted this on another thread, but after reading your posts, I decided to copy and past here. I hope that is permissible: <<I have been thinking about the Knicks situation. They need that big expiring K that only Tmac can give them so they can try to sign a superstar. Time is of the essence for them since there are only roughly a couple of weeks left before the trading deadline. I think they will get desperate and make us an offer that will be very interesting seeing that it appears Houston is likely to deal with Philly or Washington. As they say, we will know in the fullness of time.>> Essentially I agree with your post. If this happens, it will be the "trade out of the left field" that nobody saw it coming.
Iggy's contract is not a problem. He's young and he's a player. He may have a max deal for him but in comparison to a max deal that lebron, DWade, and Joe Johnson are likely to garner this offseason, his contract is very reasonable. IF......Morey can somehow swing Iggy plus another superstar such as Amare or Bosh, that is the kind of homerun that can put us on the map now and into the future. If Amare wants to go to Miami and play with DWade, well we do a S&T to get him to Miami, get back expirings and talent and go on down the road. DWade wants out to come to Houston, well we send Miami Iggy and other assets to get a S&T deal done to Houston. If we can get Iggy, Dally, and one asset from Philly for McGrady and if we can get PHX to bite on Dally + Landry + another asset for Amare, we will really be rolling, this year and going forward. Iggy's contract is reasonable.
I'll say it again. Forget iggy. Tmac/budinger for butler/Haywood battier for rudy fernandez Resign Von and bam we are super young again. And we still have wiggle too or this can work the same wat with iggy and dalembert. Only we wot have any wiggle wiggle room. The iggy deal would e great because that would mean our oldest player would be scola with 30. But our rosters would look like this. Brooks/lowry fernandez/wafer/Taylor iggy(butler)/ariza scola/landry dalembert(Haywood)/Hayes/Ming you choose
The closer we get to 'The Eighteenth' the more interesting the developments have become. For example, Bosh is, no is not, yes he is, NO HE IS NOT going to be traded. But, Amar'e is. The Bulls fired their coach - wait a minute, they didn't have a new coach ready so they kept him, oh the Vinsanity II, and they are a hot team now. So, which Bulla are or are not on the market? The Wiz' owner passed away and the smooth transition to Leonsis has met the rocky road, and now who pops up but David Falk as the possible (likely?) new pres of the team (the same team which infamously fired Falk's most famous client). So, what are the Wiz really able, or perhaps wanting, to achieve? Oh, the 6ers? Some rumors rumbling than Stefanski and Jordan will be canned during the All Star break. Meanwhile, back on the ranch - McGrady is putting in the work with Glover, so we are told, and nearly 1/2 the league has sent reps to see him - what have they seen??? Rubio has emerged as a major player. Whatever Top er Bottom 2-5 team missing out on Wall will swap their pick for rights to RR? But, it could keep Minny out of the February tango. And injuries, there have been a few in the last few days. CP3. Parker. Foster. Villanueva. And Lowry. What do these ouchies imply? How do they ramify? So, trade timing is everything. Yet, everyone is waiting for the first guy to blink. Maybe when Thing 1 blinks Thing 2 and Thing 3 and so on and so forth will develop major eye tics. Say, on the 18th? It may prove to be more interesting to find out on, and after, the 19th, what deals fell apart at the witching hour. So, who is who and what is what as we approach that magic moment? I still believe Rox will pull off two big deals, saying good-bye to McG, and a 3; probably a young stud in waiting, and maybe a fav, Luis. I, like ALL of us, wish I knew something, really reall knew some single thing.
I get the feeling that a significant number of deals will be going down soon...and I think you're right xiki, the first blinker will set the dominoes tumbling and all subsequent deals will be semi-result of the first big deal to go down. Timing is key. Should be an interesting next two weeks.
see, what alot of people don't under stand about sports is.. it's about "heart","spirit","personality" an "appreciation" that's how i judge players...Michael Jordan had that,Kevin Durant,Chris Paul ..Cuttino Mobley had that...this guy love when he played aginst big names you guys remember...we never gave him the keys to the car..he was shotgun with steve,he had appreciation for the game..i use to love, when he would love look up at Yao.. an slap him in the face during game, it was like stickin' a key in his back to activate him..that's why i never like tracy, when he had that.. last bad season with the Orlando Magic he wanted to quite,retire what about getting better working harder...that's the tracy we pick up....i wouldn't put lebron on this list, if you put the right personality on him, you intimidate him...
Too bad you forgot about Dalemberts contract and trade kicker being involved, and how it limits us to resign Scola and Lowry in the offseason.
Judging from the BBS I am the single only one waiting anxiously for the blinking to start making the shoes fall, and to heck with messing up too many metaphors! :grin:
