The NFL will always tweak the rules in favor of more scoring. Its just good business. Passing stats prior to 1977 should especially be given some sort of extra boost in QB Rating since there was no 5 yard no-contact rule until then.
Elway was FAR better than Warner. Are you kidding me with that? You stat watchers are unbelievably irritating...
sure, but less annoying than you people who believe everything the media tells to you believe and can't make your own judgments. all you people know about john elway was that he made about 10 or so cool little comebacks/game-winning drives over his 16 year career, and that he ran around a little...more than most of the other qbs of his time. my guess is all you know about john elway is that, his legendary name, and what you've seen in highlights. some of us feed into flash and media hype, and some of us can make an objective judgment.
Fair enough - but if you compare his QB rating to other QBs in that era, it doesn't look great either. Jim Kelly and Dan Marino each had 1 year in their career with a QB rating under 80. Joe Montana never did. Elway had that in 9 of his first 10 years. There's no doubt that Elway had a great last 5-6 years, and he knew how to win games late ("he just wins!"). All I'm saying is that statistics weren't where Elway excelled.
I agree with your other 4 completely, but I've GOTTA put Elway, Favre, and Young ahead of Warner. He obviously drops in ahead of guys like Warren Moon and Jim Kelly simply because he WON a Super Bowl, but I would say he's probably more around 8-10 on the All-Time list. Either way though, if you would have asked Warner 15 years ago if he would take even being CONSIDERED for the HOF, he probably would have thought you were on crack. Just a great story, and very inspirational for anyone who feels like they are down and out.
Part of the Elway legend is how highly regarded he was out of Stanford, how great his arm was, and he did lead the Broncos to 5 Super Bowls.
10? Are you kidding me? Try more like 40. (The long debated number had been 47, but it has been noted that this counted games that ended up going into overtime in which his team trailed in the 4th quarter, so cannot be called a true "comeback" if his team only forced overtime instead of won the game outright) Now I didn't watch football in the 80s because I was 5 years old, but I watched Elway the most during his golden age (from about 1994 to his final game) so maybe in my mind I'm overrating his overall career performance since I only really witnessed the last 4-5 seasons, but he certainly got better with age.
effin' poor judges of talent. stat watchers? Seriously? So Michael Jordan's career game-winning shots wouldn't be a statistic that interested you as an overall measure of his game-changing ability? 40 Career 4th quarter come from behind victories is a statistic that cannot be ignored. This isn't some irrelevant footnote. I'm not squabbling over his QB rating or career YPG or some other debatable stat like that. I'm presenting evidence that John Elway was arguably one of the greatest (if not the greatest) clutch performers in NFL History and your only response is to discredit the method in which most intelligent people use to judge the "greatness" of a particular player? Child Please.
> 3 super bowls and 2 mvps in half the career length? i'm not saying that elway sucked, i'm saying that in my opinion warner was the better quarterback.
16 years vs. 12 years. You are free to have that opinion. I think Warner is a HOFer and a top 10 QB of all-time.
You want to use that as grounds to lose your argument be my guest. I already said I believe Warner should be in the Hall of Fame and he's arguably Top 10 all time, but I won't debate this issue any further if you're going to dismiss evidence of greatness as meaningless statistics.
Elway absolutely carried teams, St Louis had arguably a top five running back. Elway carried vance johnson and sammy winder to superbowls i've always been impressed with kurt's laser like accuracy, and kurt is tough (well he's just immobile) while elway had a steve mcnair quality of toughness and athleticism to him, you couldn't bring him down ask an oiler fan about 4th and 15 maybe I was just a kid but the same applies for steve mcnair, he and elway more than any other qbs had a earl campbell superman like quality to them
dude, re-read this page of the thread. i was joking and alluding to the moron's post who called me a "stat watcher".
