Based on Daryl Morey’s comments that Cleveland and Dallas are the only teams willing to take on additional salary besides the Rockets those are the teams I am going to focus on. Since the team that seems to be the most eager to give up talent to get rid of salary is Philadelphia I am concentrating on them as the potential trade partner. Based on those variables who can offer the most in a trade Houston, Dallas or Cleveland? And who’s deal would be most attractive to Philly and why? Here is a break down of the three players Philly really wants to get rid of: 1. Elton Brand – Because he is always hurt, has diminishing skills, is old and getting older and because he has a mammoth contract that has another three and a half years left on it. 2. Samuel Dalembert – Because he is grossly overpaid for another season and a half and along with Brand handcuff the clubs ability to sign a superstar type of talent in the summer. 3. Andre Iguodala – Because like Brand and Dalembert he is overpaid although he is a true young talent. He has a very long term contract that lasts another four and a half years. I’m guessing they would be happy to keep him however using him as bait to get a team to take back Dalembert or Brand might make them do it. If a team was willing to absorb both Brand and Dalembert, the Sixers would certainly throw in Iggy and probably at least one more young talent such as Speights, Young or Holiday. This would in essence give Philly a fresh start. The reality is that no team is likely to take on both Brand and Dalembert but you never know about the Mavs and Cuban. So who can offer the best deal and why? Dallas can offer a lot of cap relief, some immediate and some the following summer, but they really don’t have anything in the form building blocks to offer Cleveland. Howard will be 30 in less than two months, is always hurt, a head case and has shown drastic signs of declining skills over the last two seasons. Dampier is still Erica around the league. He is old, slow and inconsistent with no offense. He does provide some shot blocking and rebounding but is certainly not a building block for the future. Houston can offer immediate salary cap relief, talent and or youth for building blocks. But would DM be willing to part with any significant amount of youth? I don’t think he would part with any of his youth without getting more than Iggy back. TMac IMO is equal to Howard. Both are injury prone, TMac is only one year older but posses a better skill set than Howard. Neither players are someone you would want to build your team around. Cleveland really can’t offer much in the way of youth or talent either. They basically have one chip and that is the 11.5 million expiring contract for the 34 year old Big Z. Example of a Dallas Mavericks potential offer: Erick Dampier $12,115,500 Josh Howard $10,890,000 For Andre Iguodala $12,200,000 Samuel Dalembert $12,025,694 Why would Dallas would do this? Because they are old old old. Alost everyone on the Mavericks is over the age of 30. Dirk’s window of opportunity for a championship during his peak years are rapidly closing. Iggy and Dalembert are both young and would help the Mavs reload with out starting over. Kidd, Iggy, Matrix, Dirk and Dalembert would be a formidable starting lineup plus it would add youth. Kidd and Matrix are on their last legs but Iggy and Dalembert could help hold open Dirks window of opportunity to get back to the Championship by a few extra years. Philly would do very well with this trade. They would get to take a look at Howard to see if he is someone that they want to retain in the off season or just cut their losses and except the 24.2 million dollars in cap relief for this summer. Philly’s salary cap next year could be as low as 41 million going into the summer with this deal. Example of a Cleveland Cav’s potential offer: Zydrunas Ilgauskas $11,541,074 For Andre Iguodala $12,200,000 Really that’s about all I see. If Philly is looking to move salary then Cleveland is just not a good trading partner. Sure they would loose Iggy’s salary but they would still be stuck with Brand and Dalembert’s salaries. I don’t really see how this helps Philly as much as either Dallas or Houston could. Philly’s salary cap going into the summer would be about 53 million. Example of a Houston Rockets potential offer: Tracy McGrady $22,483,124 Kyle Lowry $2,034,996 For Andre Iguodala $12,200,000 Samuel Dalembert $12,025,694 Lou Williams $4,972,500 Similar to the Dallas deal the Sixers could trim a lot of salary off of their roster. The Rockets would certainly have a major improvement at 2 guard with Iggy and a tall athletic shotblocker in Dalembert. The Sixers would get a free test drive with TMac as well as Philly native Kyle Lowry (at half the price of Lou Williams). If the Sixers did not want Lowry or TMac at seasons end they would have effectively trimed almost 30 million dollars off of their pay-roll and could go into next season with only 36 million in salary prior to the draft and free agency. More than likely they would tender Lowry the 3 million qualifying offer and try to get one season at this price out of him. Assuming that, the Sixers salary going into the summer would be about 39 million. So who’s offer would be better? If you are just looking at salary then I think Houston obviously gives them the most savings going into the summer. Looking at the salaries of the teams and the expiring contracts I can’t see where Cleveland could seriously challenge either Dallas or Houston in an offer to. Dallas offer might actually be a little more tempting if they were willing to take on Brands contract but it would surely cost them one of Young, Speights or Holiday. I think Houston could be the better offer if TMac truly is hungery to prove he still has something in the tank. Plus the team would get to keep their young core. So who can offer the better deal and why? Here are some salary references if anyone cares to look. Code: [b]Dallas Mavericks Salary Player 2009/2010 2010/2011 2011/2012 2012/2013 2013/2014 2014/2015[/b] Dirk Nowitzki $19,795,714 $21,513,524 N/A N/A N/A N/A Erick Dampier $12,115,500 $13,078,000 N/A N/A N/A N/A Josh Howard $10,890,000 $11,835,000 N/A N/A N/A N/A Jason Terry $9,075,000 $9,873,000 $10,658,000 N/A N/A N/A Jason Kidd $8,100,000 $8,500,000 $8,500,000 N/A N/A N/A Shawn Marion $6,635,068 $7,305,500 $7,975,932 $8,646,364 $9,316,796 N/A Matt Carroll $4,700,000 $4,300,000 $3,900,000 $3,500,000 N/A N/A Drew Gooden $4,500,000 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Eduardo Najera $3,000,000 $3,000,000 $2,750,000 N/A N/A N/A Jose Barea $1,657,500 $1,815,000 N/A N/A N/A N/A Rodrigue Beaubois $1,075,440 $1,156,080 $1,236,720 $2,227,333 $3,271,952 N/A Greg Buckner * $1,062,398 $1,064,516 N/A N/A N/A N/A Quinton Ross $1,033,342 $1,146,337 N/A N/A N/A N/A James Singleton $1,030,189 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Tim Thomas $825,497 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Code: [b]Cleveland Cavs Salary Player 2009/2010 2010/2011 2011/2012 2012/2013 2013/2014 2014/2015[/b] O'Neal $21,000,000 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A LeBron James $15,779,912 $17,149,243 N/A N/A N/A N/A Zydrunas Ilgauskas $11,541,074 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Maurice Williams $8,860,000 $9,300,000 $8,500,000 $8,500,000 N/A N/A Anderson Varejao $6,363,636 $7,031,818 $7,700,000 $8,368,182 $9,036,364 $9,704,545 Delonte West $4,254,250 $4,500,000 N/A N/A N/A N/A Daniel Gibson $4,088,500 $4,015,334 $4,403,834 $4,792,332 N/A N/A Jamario Moon $3,000,000 $3,000,000 N/A N/A N/A N/A Anthony Parker $2,644,231 $2,855,769 N/A N/A N/A N/A J.J. Hickson $1,429,200 $1,528,920 $2,354,537 $3,357,569 N/A N/A Leon Powe $855,189 $915,852 N/A N/A N/A N/A Jawad Williams $736,420 $1,029,389 N/A N/A N/A N/A Darnell Jackson $736,420 $854,389 $1,091,100 N/A N/A N/A Danny Green $457,588 $762,195 $1,059,293 N/A N/A N/A Coby Karl * $320,560 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Code: [b]Houston Rockets Salary Player 2009/2010 2010/2011 2011/2012 2012/2013 2013/2014 2014/2015[/b] Tracy McGrady $22,483,124 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Yao Ming $16,378,325 $17,686,100 N/A N/A N/A N/A Shane Battier $6,939,200 $7,429,500 N/A N/A N/A N/A Trevor Ariza $5,854,000 $6,322,320 $6,790,640 $7,258,960 $7,727,280 N/A Brian Cook $3,500,000 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Luis Scola $3,284,667 $4,105,834 N/A N/A N/A N/A Carl Landry $3,000,000 $3,000,000 N/A N/A N/A N/A David Andersen $2,314,815 $2,500,000 $2,685,185 $3,356,481 N/A N/A Chuck Hayes $2,147,750 $2,334,125 N/A N/A N/A N/A Kyle Lowry $2,034,996 $2,975,165 N/A N/A N/A N/A Aaron Brooks $1,118,520 $2,016,692 $2,976,636 N/A N/A N/A Brent Barry * $1,062,800 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Joey Dorsey $881,000 $947,140 $1,011,600 N/A N/A N/A Jermaine Taylor $725,000 $780,871 $884,293 $942,293 N/A N/A Chase Budinger $725,000 $780,871 $884,293 $942,293 N/A N/A Mike Harris * $82,306 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Code: [b]Philadelphia 76ers Salary Player 2009/2010 2010/2011 2011/2012 2012/2013 2013/2014 2014/2015[/b] Elton Brand $14,858,472 $15,959,100 $17,059,728 $18,160,355 N/A N/A Andre Iguodala $12,200,000 $12,345,250 $13,531,750 $14,718,250 $15,904,750 N/A Samuel Dalembert $12,025,694 $12,912,823 N/A N/A N/A N/A Jason Kapono $6,212,960 $6,641,440 N/A N/A N/A N/A Louis Williams $4,972,500 $5,000,000 $5,176,000 $5,351,500 N/A N/A Willie Green $3,682,000 $3,976,000 N/A N/A N/A N/A Thaddeus Young $2,105,400 $2,901,940 $3,992,108 N/A N/A N/A Marreese Speights $1,658,280 $1,773,960 $2,721,255 $3,823,363 N/A N/A Jrue Holiday $1,514,280 $1,627,920 $1,741,440 $2,674,852 $3,776,891 N/A Jason Smith $1,418,880 $2,187,913 $3,135,279 N/A N/A N/A Royal Ivey $1,050,000 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Primoz Brezec $825,497 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Rodney Carney $825,497 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Allen Iverson $650,686 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
long story short,les wont pay lux tax unless its for kobe. dont buy this "allstar" crap. so no deal with philly or anyone. tmac is gone for expirings, everyone stays , rockets barely miss playoffs and get horrible mid round pick. waste of a year.
Give me exactly one example of how it benefits Houston to trade TMac for expiring contracts when TMac IS an expiring contract.
Yep, better then making a knee jerking reaction, some deals are better to let him expire then take on additional salary. From the looks of thing or from what it sounds LT will only be forked out for those kinds of players, but taking on additional under the LT is about the same. So it's either 'all in' or 'all not'
Teams will over pay for Bosh, LeBron, Wade so let them. I don't think Houston even is close to a deal in any rumors we hear.
Houston covets a player that makes significantly less than T-mac. Houston trades T-mac's expiring for multiple expirings allowing Houston to get just what they need and not take on a ton of additional salary past the end of the year. Houston gains flexibility if they break T-mac's expiring into multiple smaller expiring contracts. Unless one of the bundled contracts from another team is longer than an expiring contract there is no reason another team would make this trade. But if Houston could make the trade - they would for the additional flexibility.
To make a deal happen teams want the expiring contract of McGrady, Brooks, Landry and those are our three biggest assets for any player better than Igoudala. You can make smaller deals without those players, like the moves that puts us furthur under.
You can retrade smaller expirings... Plus you get players actually playing while not having to get longer deals
I agree marginally only if it gets Les under the threshold. He is currently about 2.5 million over the threshold.
Can someone post the link where it gives an explanation of why we don't want to keep tmacs contract. How the salary works and trade scenarios. Thanks in advance.
The team is going younger so i expect to see veterans moved probably to teams no worst than Portland like Battier. If Ariza is traded to clear cap space he'll go anywhere. Quite frankly i think Houston is unwilling to move Brooks and Landry for players worst than Bosh. If les is willing to pay the LT why would those other teams not pay it either think about it. I think players the 'vets' will be moved to get younger and clear cap space. I do think before that though, they'll try to make that philly move for young pieces, but i doubt anything happens which is why no deal is even close.
I don't think a Andre to Cavs for "Big Z" is an option for 76ers. I think the only way they want to unload Iggy is if you are willing to take on either Brand or Dalembert as well. Iggy still has excellent years ahead unlike those two and they know it. Giving up young talent like him means you also take on one of their problems.
I think both Eric Dampier and Josh Howard have contracts running through next season. Neither are expiring contracts. http://www.sportscity.com/NBA/Dallas-Mavericks-Salaries
Too many variables. Plus - in 3 weeks or so yet another team willing to pay to make a push could be a hot trade competitor. Don't dismiss LAL from any conversation. Or Magic. Or C's.
Technically you are correct however, Damp's contract is not guaranteed after this season and Josh Howard has a team option so both can be cut for savings.
While most of us here would not want to see our good young players leave, they definitely comprise the best trade value of those three teams ... or most any other team out there right now. Young, up & coming talent is nearly priceless and I think most people in the league right now recognize that DM is great at finding it.
They won't have time to re-trade smaller expirings because any trade will most likely come at the deadline.
Na I kinda wanna keep our players,they all know their role with our team. And let's say we do trade anybody(like lowry in your example) I wouldn't Want him playin AGAINST us later on you know...unless we can steal a deal 2 send tmac somewhere,I'm all 4 it,if not,just let his contract expire cuz I like Our players,our role players
