Check out this whopper of a thread over at deviantart: http://forum.deviantart.com/403142 It's an awfully long read, but don't get disinterested. Bill Gates shall 0wnz us all very soon if this is true.
I don't get it keeley. All i get from that link is a 1 post thread about "questions about this forum"...Photography Do you have to be a member to view the thread you talked about?
Here is a FAQ with more information (no pop-ups either ): http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
Thanks bobrek for the link...thanks for bringing this up keeley.....this sounds like some scary sh*t...i heard something about the DRM stuff they were proposing a while back...I didn't realize it was going to be as invasive as they are proposing... I encourage everyone that reads this to check into this..or if it bores you too much..have a tech friend explain it to you in less technical language...THIS IS IMPORTANT!!!! I can not express this strong enuff...
No worry. If all is true, MS is inviting its own demise. Not only consumers will jolt, but also antitrust law is awaiting.
I was trying to think of words strong enough to describe how I feel about reading this crap, but I'm at a loss. **** Gates, **** Microsoft, **** Intel, and **** anyone having anything to do with this abomination. Sorry, but that's the best I can do at the moment. And I thought the asteroid was bad.
Two problems with that michecon... 1. Most consumers won't even realize it's happening until it's too late. The details of this proposal are technical enuff so that most ppl will not understand why this is a bad idea.. 2. Government will not stop M$ because they believe/have been paid off to believe that this proposal will make everything more secure. ie..help battle against the feared cyber-terrorists...
1. All it takes is some reviewer who has ball to write a prontpage headline on NYT and Times, USAtoday, CNN will follow suit. 2. No telling of this side after all that happened. But I am on the optimistic side.
Palladium is absolutely awful. When the SSSCA passes (now it's called the TCPDA or something like that), along with the DMCA, the Patriot Act and now Palladium, it will practically be illegal to do anything that the government and M$ doesn't authorize you to do. The thing is, the people in Congress are morons when it comes to technology. Most of them don't understand a single thing about PCs, and so if M$ can make laws like the DMCA or SSSCA seem good, the legislators will jump on it. As far as they know, PCs are just those magic boxes that work on fairy (M$) dust.
If Microsoft really means to go through with this crap, I am confident that there will be enough of an uprising among the techie world against ANY company that has ANYTHING to do with this that backers (Intel, etc) will realize the folly of being a part of it, and will pull out. It is true that the average user won't have a full understanding of what all of this means, but there are enough people who do understand it to put on a pretty strong campaign to inform everyone else. I have every confidence that this technology will never be allowed in homes. (please please please please please please no)
I doubt it, Im pretty sure a lot of the software companies are gonna love that product activation code thingie. They run on profit and if people are pirating their software then they aren't getting any money from it. So, if MS says that 'Here's a way where we'll pretty much stop people from stealing from you.' then they'll sign on. And some of that stuff is already on our computers, well the people who are using XP right now ie Windows Media Player and the government hasn't said a damn thing about it. Well, except for one senator who wrote a weak letter to MS, but thats bout it.
I agree completely. Except for the part about average users...I don't think it's too difficult to understand the whole concept of Palladium. It's basically having police on your computer. Isn't all this illegal?
Yeah, I've heard about Palladium a few weeks ago....scary stuff. I am 100% against it. I would not be surprised if it does happen (either as-is or in some scaled down modified form), and if the TCPDPA (something like that) does pass, since like Vengeance said Congress's tech knowledge is crappy and ignorant, potentially allowing them to be manipulated by greedy b*stard companies like Microsoft and the recording industry. This in particular pisses me off about Palladium: I prefer to have freedom to do what I want with my computer. Palladium could take away a lot of that freedom if it catches on. The guy in that thread keeley posted is doing the right thing....spreading the word. It's important that people (including gutsy media journalists and technically incompetent people who don't really keep abreast of situations such as this) hear about and understand the consequences of Palladium before it becomes popular, especially since Microsoft is a company with good marketing savvy and a lot of mindshare. However, I am slightly concerned...look at the SSSCA, which was later changed to TCPDPA (and modified a bit I think). That was proposed a long time ago, and even now ignorance runs rampant.....not many people are aware of it (or don't understand it enough to bother caring). Microsoft does make a few nice products so I don't dislike the company as a whole. But I do dislike their business practices. I don't have a problem with making the Internet "safer", but not like this. It is evident that M$'s ulterior motive here is to *own* us, the Internet and our computers by wiping out the competition (at least here in the States; not so sure about other countries since some of the proposed features of Palladium would be illegal in certain places outside the US). I doubt Palladium will bother experienced tech-heads (i.e. hackers) too much. But the majority of PC users lack such experience. I'll also note that Palladium is actually a collaborative effort by M$ and chip-makers AMD and Intel. The chip makers want to get their hardware into consumers' living rooms, but the MPAA and RIAA are concerned about security. The word "palladium" basically means "a safeguard", and this new technology be advertised as such. If advertised right this could be music to the ears of the MPAA, RIAA as well as any developers who have had problems with pirates. Thus, this may pave the way for AMD and Intel to get their chips into the consumer's living room, perhaps as part of a digital entertainment center.
Hey DaDa, this seems like something you could get behind. Down with piracy. I read the post, and the faq, and some of the links. To tell you the truth, the shady accounting practices worry me more than the new product. Those most damaged by this are software pirates, and what they are doing is illegal. Those second most damaged are the open source folk, and their stuff mostly sucks. The Macintosh, SPARC, ARM, etc. types can just buy in to the Fritz chip deal with AMD and Intel and then they don't have to worry about it. As for not being able to read certain file types, try ASCII. There are free standards available if you don't want to use Microsoft products, they just aren't as good. Micrsoft is not a charity, they are a for profit compoany and I would encourage them to do whatever they can to put money in the hands of their stockholders.
took me a while to find it but I knew this had been discussed before. I am not happy about anything big-brotherish at all.
Oh Hydra...tell me you're joking!!! Ok..I'm with ya on the down with piracy stuff.....if this was just about piracy..I wouldn't worry about it...But the product they are discussing has much more far-reaching effects than stopping ppl from reproducing/using illigally copied software. As far as the open-source, this is what really gets my goat. Since when is it a good idea to limit ppls choice of software/OS. Just because you either don't use it/ don't see a need for it, doesn't mean it doesn't have a right to exist....and if this proposal goes thru, there is no way in hell that Linux/Unix based OS can survive...Open source software goes thru so many revisions during it's development cycle, that being required to PAY for a digital certificate for each revision would be financially impossible. What? You say that they wouldn't have to??...That's not the way I read the information...If M$'s plan goes thru, The digital certificate would be required in order to function with Palladium-enabled servers. And I aint even gonna try to explain the pronlem I see with tryin to change the Internet's base transmission protocol to a M$ created one...If that were allowed, they would essentially control what software can communicate across the net... Nobody is sayin we should take away from M$..but allowing competition is nnot taking away anything that they deserve.. This plan is WRONG on so many levels.......
<a href="http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mode_w=on&site=bbs.clutchcity.net">The BBS is on a Linux Box with Apache</a>. No wonder it sucks so much. Oh, and the BBS application itself (vBulletin) is written with MySQL and PHP, both Open Source. Most of the internet as we know it is because of open source software and open standards. HTML, CSS, TCP/IP, etc. ALL OPEN. As a primarily Linux user, and one who uses Open Source software as often as possible (I'm writing this using Mozilla, an Open Source Browser), I can't possibly see one way in which hurting Open Source is good for anyone but M$. Open Source software has time and time again proven to be more secure, more standards-compliant and better designed than its corporate counterparts. With Palladium in place, much of what made the internet great will be outlawed, and replaced with standards by ONE COMPANY. The simple fact is that you are just buying right into what M$ is telling you -- that this is all about security, all about stopping piracy, etc. But that's a bunch of BS. It's really about more creative ways to make money for M$. And we use Open Source and open standards more than you would think. <a href="http://www.netcraft.com/survey/">More than half of all internet sites use Apache</a>, which is an OPEN SOURCE program. We all use TCP/IP (among other protocols like DNS) which is Open. MANY sites run Linux or FreeBSD, which is Open Source. Mac OS X is based on FreeBSD, another open source program. I can keep going . . .
and you should keep goin Vengeance...You're explaining better than I could...I agree 100%!! btw..here's a nice little quote I found from the Register... Here comes The Ministry of Gates...
