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Why did the Tmac era fail?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Jan 18, 2010.

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Why?

  1. Tmac

    159 vote(s)
    35.6%
  2. Yao

    19 vote(s)
    4.3%
  3. the supporting cast wasn't good enough

    230 vote(s)
    51.5%
  4. the coaches

    5 vote(s)
    1.1%
  5. it was not a failure, it was a successful era in Rockets history

    34 vote(s)
    7.6%
  1. tinman

    tinman Member
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    Tracy played in the East with two different teams.
    Same results.

    All the options I chose were fair.

    The only stupid poll option is the last one where would consider this a good era in the legendary history of the Houston Rockets.

    the Moses/Calvin Era
    the Dream Era
    the Steve Francis Era
    the Tmac era
    the Yao era (is not over and spans the steve/tmac/young guns era)
     
  2. Mr. Space City

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    typo. it was game 6. mistake on my behalf.

    but the point was you need a team to be successful. and the jazz were balanced with wiliams, boozer, okur, ak47, and milsap while we were stuck with mcgrady, yao, rafer, luther head, and juwan howard.

    game 3 L vs the jazz. luther head and juwan howard went 0-5 each.

    our bench had 0 points in that game....0

    you just cant get it done with no contributing from the players around you.
     
  3. tinman

    tinman Member
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    AND that your best player has to be the LEADER of that team
    AND your best player has to be on good relations with his coach
    AND that your best player inspires your teammates
    AND that your best player demands respect of his opponents
     
  4. Mr. Space City

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    your best player cant magically make the shots for his players around him go in for him.

    you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drinnk
     
  5. tinman

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    Rafer Alston made it to the NBA finals last year with Orlando (Tmac's old team he left for dead)

    he "magically" started playing well

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  6. Mr. Space City

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    rafer alston was the 5th scoring option on that lineup behind peitrus, shard, turkoglu, and dwight howard.

    on the rockets he was our 3rd option.

    even then that team was more stacked than that rockets playoff squad which is why they were more successful than the rockets.

    they had rashard lewis, dwight howard, hedo and Mickael Pietrus. they won in SPITE of rafer. of all players in double figures rafer had the WORST field goal percentage
     
  7. rhino17

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    The Rockets had relatively untalented teams during tmacs tenure here. Not til Adelman took over could you say there was really even a well rounded team. Those JVG teams were just awful. Looking back, I have not idea how they did what they did.
     
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    Injuries. Imagine if Yao and T-Mac were both healthy with the cast of players we've had the last two seasons. I believe we would be having deep playoff runs.
     
  9. abc2007

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    From financial (business) view, Tmac era didn't fail at all.
     
  10. cjstukenholtz

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    You're referring to the one playoff game in which the Rockets had only four players score.
     
  11. WarioMillie

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    "it was Yao's era too" is contrary to what was mAde crystal clear by tracy when he cut off screamin' A smith to scream back "it's on ME!" (i.e. not only entirely his failure when they lose, but also potentially as much more potential glory for him had they won). yet after they lost, he could not even face the entirety of the press conference, & subsequently made it clear that it was NOT in fact, upon his own self (i.e. sarcastically "it's my fault" not driving to the rack = some guy getting a bud light instead of a heiney).

    "he knew he was going to be traded- don't tell me you wouldn't have done the same thing" (suddenly announce surgery to c.block any potential trades already in the hopper)", yes i would have done the same. actually i would have negotiated a buyout & live with t.w. on a boat, smoking whatever he smokes these days. wait sleeping pills. no f. that i'm bringing my own. You KNOW he's got girls on the lot though.

    "the organization has treated t-mac unfairly" may very well be true at this point, but you put them in this position i.t.f.p. i.d.k. w.t.f. you were doing in practices & games to anger r. adleman, who has earned more of my respect than the mac at this point. but HE wants no part of you, yet he can work with webber & r.artest? :mad: see you in canada eh?


    the only thing i hate, is that he seems to really want to be in houston. i hate to ship him out. i just wish he'd do what's asked of him. be a team player a-hole.
     
  12. Mr. Space City

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    which all goes back to my point that you need a team to win playoff games.

    every single loss we had to the jazz our bench got outscored by the jazz bench
     
  13. Corpusfan

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    Last time I checked, T-Mac wasn't the only member of that team. No matter how much you spend on one player, you need more than that one player to win.
     
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    And if you think the lack of success was because of injuries in general, to both players? Where's that option?
     
  15. WarioMillie

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    well you choose said players. t/.m's merely holding each player responsible for their own injuries, & y.m. gets a pass only because he's been a great team player & hasn't made any waves outside what the organization has asked of him.

    while t-mac gets extra demerits for being a d-bag off the court (with his mouth).
     
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    yes, im sure the orlando TEAM got to the finals because of rafer alston and, in the same breath, the rockets TEAM failed because of tmac. :rolleyes:
     
  17. JuanValdez

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    Several contributing realities not listed in the poll:

    * Luck (or statistical variance, or referee bias): We were close in some series. A small change could have meant a 1st round victory and then who knows. If Finley was called out of bounds, what would have happened from there?

    * Health: I'm fine attributing injuries to the player who has them, but you didn't allow us to vote for more than one option. Both stars' injuries contributed.

    * Morey: McGrady's time with the Rockets is over, and his career might be too, depending on how he recovers from this surgery. But, the team's relationship with McGrady didn't have to go sour, and this didn't have to be the end of the McGrady era. If management hadn't insisted that McGrady play injured last season, we might be talking about a contract extension at a reasonable rate instead of a trade.
     
  18. tinman

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    No the Rockets team made to the 2nd Round without Tmac and Rafer Alston played well with his BRAND NEW TEAM. Not bad considering he just arrived in Orlando. Maybe a change of "teammate" was needed for Rafer to show off his skills.
     
  19. nolimitnp

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    Wait a minute, the T-Mac era failed in Orlando because of the injury sagas of Grant Hill. We're probably not having this conversation at all if the injuries to Hill never happen.

    Also, please don't try to compare McGrady to Jordan.
     
  20. mfastx

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    why was he backpedaling?
    He didnt put a body on his man.
    "the limitations of being 7'5"" WTF!?
    you cannot deny that as a team, we didn't box out and secure a defensive stop.

    that loss is on everyone on the floor.
     

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