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All is not well in Washington.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by DCkid, Jul 23, 2002.

  1. DCkid

    DCkid Member

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    Sorry, every once in a while I'll make y'all suffer through a Wizards post. It's mostly just me venting my frustrations.

    What's the deal with the Wizards roster? I count sixteen players that are either productive NBA players or talented youngsters. with potential. Can't a team only suit up twelve players a game? I can't even figure out which four they would sit out. This is really terrible planning by Unseld/Jordan. Just look at the point guard positon, and you'll be able to see the idiocy of the Wizards' management. Apparently they believe in quantity over quality.

    PG: Whitney, Hughes, Lue, Dixon
    SG: Hamilton, Jordan, Hubert Davis
    SF: Jefferies, Simmons, Grizzard
    PF: Laettner, Popeye, Kwame, Etan
    C: Haywood, Jahidi

    And then they make completely dumb moves like trading Courtney Alexander for Juan Dixon. If anyone believes Juan Dixon is going to be a better NBA player than Courtney Alexander, raise your hands! Idiots. I heard what happened is the Wizards were really interested in Jiri Welsch with the 17th pick to fill their desperate need for a point guard with size. They thought for sure that he'd fall that far, so they made the trade before draft night. When the 76ers selected him at 16, the Wizards panicked and took Dixon at the last second. I mean, this is kind of management were dealing with in Washington. Wes Unseld makes Jerry Krause look like Jerry West. Why wouldn't the Wizards just have waited until draft night to make the trade, so they could assure that the player they wanted was still available before they traded away Courtney "I'm 20 ppg waiting to happen" Alexander?

    I'm so angry I'm only going to ten games this season rather the twenty I attended last year. That'll show 'em!!! :mad:

    And hey Mike! Just retire. If you keep stunting the development of the younger players and raising the record so they never get a good draft pick you're going to singlehandly double the Wizards rebuilding plan from ten years to twenty years!

    'kay, I'm done. That wasn't so bad, was it?
     
  2. outlaw

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    we'll take hubert davis off your hands.
    He's signed till 2004 and makes about $2.5 million per.
    He would make a good back up SG for the Rockets.
     
  3. PhiSlammaJamma

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    yeah, but the mystiques are getting pretty good, 10$/game.
     
  4. Stylez

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    DCKid I'm not a Wiz fan but I am a fan of good manegment and I agree w/ you 100%.. They have 7pg/sg! And none of them is a true NBA-starte quality PG either, thats just dumb planning. And someone better get a hold of Jeffries, he's isn't doing anything in the Summer League. He's avg. about 10pts a game in an arena he should be dominating. I was iffy about JJ after he dissapeared in the Final 4 and if he's not careful he could get lost w/ all the shots Hughes, Hamilton, Jordan & Dixon will be firing up.

    And outlaw is right, we'll take HD from you guys. The Wiz can have Tierre Brown;)
     
  5. keeley

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    I read a bit about Kwame Brown yesterday on ESPN.com.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/aldridge_david/1408022.html

    The article detailed about how the guy really needs to step up this year, but that he's actually getting some really good work in this summer. Apparently he had all sorts of minor injories last summer that prevented him from getting too much action. Also goes on to say that Doug Collins has been on him to get into being a harder worker, not to lean on his natural talent too much.
     
  6. LAfadeaway33

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    That's exactly what I was thinking. Wasn't he like the best shooter in the NBA a few years ago. He'd be perfect for us.
     
  7. DCkid

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    Gladly! I'm a Rockets fan first and foremost. Hell, I'd trade Kwame Brown for Moochie Norris if it helped the Rockets.
     
  8. luminator

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    I think the Wizards getting all of these guards points to Jordan most likely retiring and not playing this season. I think he should cause this team is going nowhere the next couple of years anyways. The only other reason is they are trying to just get as much talent as possible for a trade.
     
  9. Desert Scar

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    I don't get all the fuss. Jordan, Whitney and Davis are too old to be in their long term plans and Lue sucks. That leaves Hamilton as their only long term fixture, with the hope that either Hughes ( a free agent with at least some potential) or Dixon (a mid-late 1st rounder, where the odds of such draftee's being good starters are not high) turn out to be players. It seems to me they have a lot better chance of getting their future backcourt by taking shots with Hughes or Dixon to accompany Rip than having neither of them. What else were they supposed to do?? Maybe McInnis or Best would be better, but maybe they weren't going to sign for Hughes contract--plus Hughes has more potential than Best even if Best is the better PG for now. They have to take flyers on guys with at least some talent, seems to me they are doing the best they can in the circumstance.
     
  10. Swopa

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    I agree with Mr. Scar. Whether Dixon was a good pick is certainly open to question, but in general I can see the game plan in Washington.

    It'll take a couple of years and some patient coaching by Doug Collins (which may be the hard part :D ) to see if they all pan out, but Washington already has a potential starting 5 of Haywood, Kwame, Jeffries, Hamilton, and Hughes -- which is a more promising future foundation than some other teams have.
     
  11. DCkid

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    I don't know. I'm having trouble thinking of a less promising starting five than the one you listed for the Wizards. I would say Chicago, Golden State, and Memphis all have more promise than the Wizards. Well, maybe the Nuggets, but they haven't been trying to rebuild as long as the Wizards have. Anyways, I think a front court of Camby/Hilario/Tskitisvilli has more upside than Haywood/Brown/Jefferies. Of course, that depends on Camby's health. I really don't see the Wizards being in better shape than any other team in the NBA. It pretty much all depends on Kwame Brown. If he turns out to be a bust then the Wizards are really screwed.
     
  12. Swopa

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    By the time Hilario and Skita come into their own (assuming they do), will there be anything left of Camby?

    The point I was trying to make is that the Wizards have a young player with promise at each of the five positions, while the Nuggets really only have two accounted for.

    And of course Golden State has a more promising nucleus! But not everyone can be as fortunate as Golden State :)
     
  13. NIKEstrad

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    And us poor Rockets fans...grabbing a potential franchise center, power forward, and point guard in 3 of the last 4 drafts, supplemented by a 20 ppg scorer from the 2nd round, and a promising recent #15 pick.

    We just can't buy a break. :(

    ...:D
     
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    Lebron James is said to be in the bank...so they might have three.

    Of course, the worst record doesn't guarantee you the top pick. They should still be able to grab Anthony, White, Perkins, Duhon, etc..., though.
     
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    That team is trash!!! Someone just put the Wizards asleep and get them out of their misery. Oh yes, the Witney to Laettner combination will have teams scrambling for answers. However will teams defend that duo???

    Is it possible for someone to assemble a lineup that weak purposely? Come on, someone post the real lineup!! Poor Hamilton!!
     
  16. Jaybird

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    DCKid


    /me raises his hand :)

    I really think you're overexagerating things to a good degree. Things certainly look much better with regard to the Wizards than they did a few years ago. Plus you're assuming the roster is polished off already.

    First let's look at the Alexander trade. I think it was a pretty good choice to ship him for the first rounder, as well as netting a 1.6 mil trade exception. Sure he can score a lot of points but his flaws make him way too much of a liability. He's capable of putting up 20 a game, but whoever he's defending is more than capable of doing the same. He plays with very little intensity and only works on one half of the court. Where's the loss there?


    Who's your source exactly for the claim that Dixon was a panic pick by Washington? Everything I've heard has been positive about Dixon being their next choice at the PG spot. The only other two choices were Frank Williams and Dan Dickau. Dixon's quicker, a better defender and shooter than Williams, and bigger, quicker, and better defender than Dickau. He's also put up better numbers in the summer leauges than either of the other two. Who exactly would you have rather picked up at 17?

    As for who will be a better pro between Dixon and Alexander... I honestly think it will be Dixon. I readily concede that Alexander has a much greater potential and a higher ceiling on his game, but I think Dixon has a much much much better chance of reaching that potential.

    I'll finish the rest of the post in an edit, I've got to do some work now :(

    I don't know I just see a lot of possibility for even more offseason manuvering. I actually think getting Andre Miller could be a very feasible option. Having Huges would ease the burden of losing Hamilton, because any major trade is gonna have to involve Rip.

    BTW, Popeye and Grizzard aren't under contract so they really aren't currently on the Wizards just yet.

    I've been playing with realGM (which always means I'm wrong :) ) for fun and working around a Rip for Miller base. A trade of Miller and Lamond Murray for Rip, Etan and Whitney works under the cap and looks pretty decent for both teams.

    Washington would have a lineup of...

    Miller / Dixon / Lue (Lue being expendable depending on Dixon's development)

    Huges / Jordan / Davis

    Murray / Jefferies / Grizzard / Simmons

    Popeye / Kwame / L8

    Haywood / White

    While Cleveland gets an experianced young 2 to help Wagner, a talented young 4 with upside in Thomas, and a reasonable short term backup PG in Whitney who can help Wagner as well as start if necessary.

    It may not be completely feasible the way it is but the basis for the trade seems pretty solid. Murray's a decent 3 that won't command so many minutes that it hinders Jefferies' developemnt. If we could get Mihm as well he could make resigning Popeye unnecessary. But I don't see any clear way to get that done.

    I just don't see where you see the extended rebuilding process comming from... They've managed to avoid or eliminate all the contract issues (aside from L8), and have basically started stockpiling young potential that they can let develop or combine for trades. Jordan's comeback has only theoretically hurt the Wiz one year, and in that time they've added 4 seemingly talented players and rediscovered what winning basketball was again. I don't see that as a setback. :)

    As for this year, even with Jordan I think the Wiz will win enough games to stay out of the bottom 5 teams and be in pretty much the same place as they were this year. Let me know what you think though, because I'm from Maryland and by location I have a vested interest in the Wiz :) as well as being a big fan of Dixon so now I really have to like them :D
     
    #16 Jaybird, Jul 25, 2002
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