I'm not trying to bash, I just think we're giving up too much talent. Brooks, Landry and Bud? I know you have to give something to get something, but not all 3 of these without getting a near superstar...and I don't see it in the players we're getting in return. Noah- Interesting, but Landry and Scola are solid PFs, and I don't think we need an upgrade there unless the player is Bosh. I'd be willing to part with one of them, Noah seems like a wash to me. More rebounding, but he's not a strong offensive player from what I've seen. I do like his hustle...that kind of player is always a good fit for Houston. Murphy is talented. Hinrich....ehhh...not overly exciting. Brook's speed creates a lot of opportunities for the whole team...he needs to improve his passing. Randolph-I don't know too much about him other than what I've read on Clutch. Sounds like he is a high rish-high reward type. Head-obviously he's a throw-in. Granger-I realize many people think he's close to being a superstar, but I think he's a little bit overrated. Not saying he's not good, but I'm skeptical about just how great he is. Stating the obvious, I want to see a player like Bosh, AI, CP3(it's ok to dream), Monta Ellis as a headliner to a trade.
I have to admit I get caught up in hyperbole :grin: Murphy isn't that bad, but he's overrated on here, and allergic to playing defense. A very good player for a team to have coming off the bench for certain matchups, especially with the Rockets anemic offense, but not at or possible for that kind of role at $12 million.
My thinking is that he would be, at worst, a huge upgrade over David Andersen. His great skill would be pick and pop 3-point shooting and stretching the floor for Yao inside (or for Noah). Good rebounder as well. He's a poor defender, granted. And he would be an 11 million expiring contract next year, so we could potentially flip him for some other pieces if its not working out.
Indeed, don't see them trading Wallace and Jackson ... those two are on a hot streak right now! Too bad, I would trade Ariza and Battier for Wallace!
Phoenix just lost to Memphis... perhaps talks for Amare could heat up?? There really is no reason for him to want to resign in Phoenix as Nash is 35 and Hill is 37. We'd still need a way to get a 2 guard though. Maybe someone could work a 3 team trade w/Phoenix :grin:
Have a question about Washington, if they end up having a "fire trade" because if the Arenas situation, could there be a possibily that we could trade T-Mac & Cook for Jaimson & Bulter, it works in the trade machine, but I wondered if they would do it?
^ They would want some talents absolutely to give Jamison and Butler away especially in 1 trade. T-mac, Cook, Ariza(or Chase) and 1st round pick. Nah, they can get better deals.
Ok Thanks, I think it was NBA coast to coast saying they would practically give away their good players especially if Arenas contract can't be voided, and thats why I was asking. Should anything said on ESPN even be listened to? They seem to always "report" the wrong info.
Why Houston do this ? Simple. Getting firepower. Great uptempo guy Amare, who can fit next to Yao very well, Dalembert which we need this year and nex year he'll be great backup to Yao and a good cheap scoring winger at Thadeus Young. Amare will remain at Rockets because the way he plays this year, he knows he wont get more money than 16 millions next year. We're giving away Scola and Budinger, I really hate to trade Chase but we need elite talent in this two-three years. Why Sixers do this ? They want to get rid of Dalembert and they're doing it without giving Iguodala. Why Suns do this ? They're considering to trade Amare because they wont go nowhere with this roster, and Amare is bored in Phoenix, he will opt out and sign with another team for the same money. Brooks/Lowry Ariza/Taylor/ Sign Wafer! Young/Battier Amare/Landry Dalembert/Hayes/Andersen Next year when Yao comes we will be instant contenders with this team. I know we're getting into deep luxury tax but Les needs to realize that if he wants this team to compete with LA Lakers, he needs to pay good amount of tax. It's not like you can get rings without getting into the tax.
A whacky scenario, 4-team 16-player trade http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yf8fsud Houston: + Bosh ($15.7m), Iguodala ($12.2m), Mike James, (1yr @ $6.4m), Oberto (1yr, $1.9m) - TMac ($22.8m), Budinger ($0.7m), Landry ($3m), Cook ($3.5m), Battier ($6.9m) 76ers: + TMac ($22.8m), Haywood (1yr @ $6m), Reggie Evans (2yrs @ $4.9m) - AI ($12.2m), Dalembert (2yr, $12.2m) and 3 minor contracts Carney, Smith & Brezec to make trade work Raptors: + Jamison (3yr @ $11.6m), Carney, Budinger, Smith, Brezec - Bosh, Reggie Evans Wizards: + Dalembert, Landry, Cook and Battier - Mike James, Oberto, Haywood, Jamison Why this works? Obviously starts with Rockets wanting Bosh and AI, but not Dalembert. Raptors willing to part with Bosh for Jamison (3years) + Budinger (hate losing him, but what else do we have attractive and cheap?) + 3 expiries, basically exchanging potential to lose Bosh for nothing for locking up Jamison + Budinger for next 3 years. 76ers willing to trade AI for Tmac, as long as someone takes Dalembert off their hands. That's the Wizards. Wizards willing to take Dalembert (2yr @ $12m) as Toronto takes Jamison (3yrs @ $11.6m) off their hands and they get back Landry at PF and a $3.5m expiry in Cook to reduce the pain on Dalembert's contract. The Wizards would then have expiring contracts in 2010-11 of $30m with Caron Butler, Dalembert and Battier. And they can almost start anew (or package them to get out of Arenas contract). For this, they're willing to send out Mike James and Brendan Haywood expiring contracts. In a couple of years time, the Wizards should be able to ship Arenas off to a contender looking for the final piece, and have a clean roster. The 76ers gain by moving AI and Dalembert for the expiring contracts of Haywood + TMac (~$29m together), but take the bullet on Reggie Evan's 2yr @ $4.9m deal, which isn't that bad as it becomes an expiry in 2010-11. Like the Wizards with Arenas, in a couple of years time, the 76ers should be able ship Brand to a contender looking for a final piece and have a clean roster. As for the Rockets, it will be painful to lose Battier, Budinger and Landry, and this is a big price to pay. But Landry would be more attractive to the Wizards than Scola due to age, and a C/PF rotation for the Rockets of Yao, Bosh, Scola, Hayes and Andersen still gives you inside, outside, defense, length and smarts, and we would not have to pay $6-10m each on Scola and Landry for two at best fringe All-star players. I couldn't think of what else to give the Raptors other than Budinger to make them willing to give up Bosh for Jamison (perhaps the rights to Sergio Llull?). I also struggled with giving up Shane vs Ariza, but Shane should be more attractive to the Wizards given contract becomes an expiry in 2010-11, and Ariza probably more attractive for us long-term due to age and athleticism. Imagine AB/Lowry, AI and Ariza on the fast break, with Bosh and Yao rebounding and initiating the break? Or Lowry, AI and Ariza perimeter defense and Bosh and Yao clogging the middle? By sending out Battier, Cook, Landry with TMac, we also get under the luxury tax this year, and taking back the James/Oberto expiring contracts allow us some money to sign Lowry and Scola to extensions next year. We would then have a starting 5 of Brooks, AI, Ariza, Bosh and Yao (almost big 4 like the Celtics), and Lowry, Taylor, Scola, Hayes and Andersen off the bench (adequate but not great). We'll have a first round pick next year, and maybe Les will open up the pockets again for DM to find a second round gem!
Amare has already said he doesn't want to come to Houston and doesn't like it here. So any trade that involves him would be r****ded because he either: -wouldn't resign -wouldn't be happy here, and that sucks for chemistry
after watching the Orlando and Lakers game last night, I feel this trade might interest the desperate Orlando ppl Orlando Side: Lewis, gortat+fillers Rocket side: Tmac+Landry What Orlando gets: 1. Playmaker which they are deperate for--Tmac (if he can play 80% of what he used to be capable of). This is risky but thats the chance Orlando should take to win a ring. 2.Landry's mid range game compliments Howard's low post game. In exchange for those good things, they lose Lewis's 3p but still they got plenty of 3p shooters already like Ryan Anderson and I think mid-range game is more reliable than a 1C-4 3pers game especially when you are talking about a championship game. What Rockets get: 1. athletic big man, rebounder, shot blocker--Gortat. We thought we could have got him last time, for the same reasons. He will make a good starter and over-qualified sub C for Yao, which helps Yao to cut back playing time in the regular season without sacrificing too much of the team's record. 2. reliable 3p shooter and scorer--Lewis, who gives the reliable inside-out firepower which Tmac used to give.
I've thought about this trade for several weeks. But just don't think Morey is willing to overpay for Lewis. He is way overvalued.
I remember reading it last year when we were interested in him and Clutch posted an Amare in Rockets jersey. I'm sorry but i'll have a hard time finding the link since its an article I read one year ago. I also remember him tweeting(you can maybe check his twitter) about the rumors and that he didn't like Houston and would try to veto a trade here if possible or simply not agree to get extended and traded. I was shocked when I read this, and even though I was high on Amare, I immediately became uninterested in him because I can't support a guy who doesn't want to play here. I can understand where his hate would be from considering they are a long time rival. This was last year when the Amare trade talks were heating up.
