This thread is dead, but I am inching closer to the coveted 1000 mark. What I find odd is that both HeyPartner, and Francis3 joined WELL after me, and have more then doubled my posts. I must be slacking. DaDakota ------------------
Wow 60 something posts in a thread lack this? Only in the offseason.... DaDakota-You're slacking off...just thought I'd tell you, all in the while inching towards 500. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
JayZ: Oh?.....????.....!!!! I don't know who you've been watching, but the "Mailman" shoots that free-throw line fallaway jumper nearly as much as he goes inside. It's one of the strongest parts of his game. Have you not seen Tim Duncan square his man up at a 45 degree angle and hit the bank jumper off the glass? Rasheed Wallace has always been a solid jump shooter. It wasn't until this year's playoffs that he gained confidence in the 3-point shot, making him an even better/more complete shooter. Shawn Kemp even moreso. You don't remember the free-throw range jumper he added during the course of the 1995-1996 regular season campaign? Although the Bulls won the series, that ability of Kemp's helped draw Rodman away from the basket. Those power forwards you mentioned are all adequate-good shooters.
My bad- I really am not trying to hammer anybody. Rather, I am trying to state an opinion. It is a disagreeing opinion, thats all. How else is one suppossed to go about doing that?? ------------------ When I die I want to go peacefully like my grandfather. Not screaming like the passengers in the back seat!
DaDakota-Nah, I thinking scoring over 100, and holding your opponent below 100 is a better stat, if you do that, there's a good chance you'll win. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
thacabbage--apparently Ive been watching the same PF's as you have. They all do have adequate-good range. NONE have, as I said, great range. Kt and Camby don't even have adequate-good range though. ------------------ When I die I want to go peacefully like my grandfather. Not screaming like the passengers in the back seat! [This message has been edited by JayZ750 (edited June 08, 2000).]
You're all wrong. Especially you DaDakota. Not really......Just thought I'd help you reach 1000 and myself 100. ------------------ "Stranger things have happened, but none stranger than this" - Commentator after a parachutist landed in the ring of a Holyfield fight [This message has been edited by Rocketsauce (edited June 07, 2000).]
JayZ750, Okay, agreed . . .enough with the stats talk. We were well past the boundaries of pointless anyway. You argue that KT isn't a good scorer and shouldn't be considered on the list of people "who can presently score outside of dunking range ". You back this up by saying he shot 40% fg% and 25% 3pt%. The 40% is bad, but could simply be justified by the fact that it's his rookie season. The 25% 3pt% only tells me that he's not a good 3pt shooter, but does tell me that he has some range on his shot. You don't have to shoot 3's to have great range on your shot (there are about 22' between dunking range and 3 point range). And there are a lot of PFs who can consistently hit from 18' and beyond (e.g. all the guys you mentioned in your post claiming "most good NBA PF's do not have great range". You've seen KT play. You know he has some offensive skills (both low post and long range). He just needs to polish his game and find his niche in the offensive scheme. Camby on the other hand is a fairly one-dimensional player. He's an athletic weakside shotblocker, and that's about it. You also never addressed my criticism of how you could effectively run an offense, when both of your big men on the floor have an offensive repertoire that only consist of a variety of dunks. It's a 5-man game and it really hampers your team, if only 3 can score. You also fail to address the serious strength and weight disadvantage that Camby (225 lbs) vs. other PFs. In man-to-man defense Camby simply cannot hold most offensively minded PFs in the league. As for the PhD, the post where I mentioned that wasn't directed at you, so don't think I was trying to flaunt my credentials at you. Still, I am "kinda nuts" for pursuing this degree, but it could be worse . . . I could be studying statistics ------------------
Well The first and most important criteria for any big man's game is can he play big. In other words, Centers and PF's need to be able to score aroudn the basket and do this proficiently. Yes, I did watch KT play this past year and yes I was pleasently surprised by some of his moves. However, I was nonetheless dismayed at his poor FG%. Forget about running an offense where a big man has a little bit of range. Apparantly our big man has none at the moment at all. I shiver when I remember the number of times Francis drove the lane and passed to KT, resulting in either fumbling the ball away or missing a short shot. Our offense is guard orientated. And they don't just shoot. These are guards who drive the lane and drive it hard. We do NOT need a PF who can stroke it from outside ( I understand there is a difference between 3's and dunking-my argument is that KT shoots worse the further out you take him. IF he only shoots 25% from threes hes not going to start shooting 80% if you move him in a few feet. As he has shown, he can not hit the outside jumper yet). Our main priority are big men who can hit the short jumpers, dunk, and play great defense. Camby averaged 2 more ppg than KT as is and took nearly as many shots despite being injured. PERHAPS?? more of those shots were dunks, perhaps not. All I know is he shot 48% from the field and 50% from 3 pooint line (HAHAH_he was 1 for 2). Second, I remember his days before NY and he was a solid offensive player, not solely dependent on hustle points. I THINK that right now, today, Camby has a better short range game (i.e-the key through short baseline jumpers) than KT does and can hit those with more proficiency. In addition, he is much more of a solid finisher to the whole, extremely important in our new offense. As far as defense, Camby does give up some weight, but he gets it all back in his 3 inch height advantage along wiht much longer wingspan. KT does not already do a superb post up defensive job anyway. To show an example, everyone remembers that game against teh LAkers where Cato stuffed Shaq a couple times at the end of the game to ensure the win. Cato gave up A LOT of weight to Shaq, yet put up one of the most solid individual performances on him Ive seen all year. Camby's length can make up for his lack of weight. Plus, he is a much better weak side defender. I just think Camby is the overall better player and STILL has more potential to reach. I do enjoy statistics, but it is not my main major so I do know where you are coming from there ------------------ When I die I want to go peacefully like my grandfather. Not screaming like the passengers in the back seat!
