Ron Ron wasn't a chemistry killer but Ariza now is? ohh the irony....

Not watching many games this year, eh?

 

i love RA and all but thats his fault. he told ron that the team will only go as far as he can take it. and apparently him giving trevor the "green light" has gotten to his head.

ron's only fault was being a ball stopper but there were times in the playoffs where he saved our arses. loved ron. wished he had stayed. last year was our true championship team (if yao hadnt been injured). wat can you do tho? now, we're stuck with a role player who thinks he is going to become kobe. bench him and start Chase. hopefully we get someone decent in the tmac trade.

 

Oh please! GIVE ME A BREAK DD! You were right there in that long line to kiss Artest's big black behind. You were beside yourself with glee. I remember it well because you were pretty gleeful when told me not to let the door hit me on my butt when I posted that I would not watch one Rockets game as long as Artest was here. So NOW you say you didn't like Artest because he showed you and the rest of those red-koolaid fools his true self and how he didn't give one damn about the Rockets or Houston. Well boo-hoo! No wonder you have so many folks itching to slam you. At least be consistent and own up when you are wrong.

 

Man please. It isn't a chemistry issue, it is a consistent scoring one.

Ron Artest without Yao, wouldn't have done jack for us last year. Ariza without Yao, can't suddenly turn into McGrady or improve his shooting to Ray Allen levels. People seem to think that he is MEANT to be our primary scoring option going forward, the thing is that we are trying to find legit scoring options outside of Brooks, Landry and Scola (who has fallen into a bit of a slump these past few games), so Ariza, Battier and Budinger are going to have to take their open looks or find ways to help the team score.

 

i hate to beat a dead horse here but people need restrain themselves when it comes to blaming Ariza for all the teams short comings. I think that kind of judgment is only really valid when we've seen a player perform over the course of a full season and/or post-season.

The realities now are that:

• Ariza is adjusting to a new system
• New environment
• New Teammates
• New role
  This is a big adjustment. Ariza came to Houston to capitalize on the opportunity to develop into all star type player, which he has openly told reporters. The rockets knew this then and still know it now and are committed to facilitate the process. In fact earlier on in the season Trevor was referred to as a go-to player.
  
  DM on Ariza's stuggles: "we're working with him"
  
  there needs to be some appreciation that learning to be good go-to type player is a dynamic PROCESS. it takes time. and an entire season to evaluate (sometimes even more). from role player mentality you have to learn leadership [that's hard in itself]. from being allowed to take only certain shots to learning good shot selection. You have to deal with the added pressure - the expectation of fans, coaches and teammates. and many other dynamics.

game to game criticism, in my mind, is fine. but blaming it all on ariza is going overboard.

Hate him or not. i think we're pretty lucky to have an already good asset that wants to make himself better, and obviously a organization that believes in him and is willing to deal with that process. Besides most people appreciate and remember Artest ultimately for helping the rockets get out of the 1st round not his craziness. In fairness, the Ariza-Artest comparison should be left for the off season.

 

Artest is a fun person, quite creative. Ariza is a boring person.

 

What do you think the Rox staff saw in this guy anyway? (Ariza)

 

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This is nothing compared to what T Mac was blamed for. Some people even blamed him for costing us the games when he only played 8 minutes.

 

Obviously Ron is better right now.

DM knew it then, knows it now.

Trevor is a workhorse, he will improve...Just be patient...

 

Tracy was getting paid 4 times what Ariza is...

 

Boy this garm is full of it lol. One min ariza is great who needs mcgrady. Then it was why is he shooting so much. Long story short it's funny how guys go from I love this guy to we need to trade him. I wonder if landry goes on a streak where he struggles will guys make a thread saying let's trade landry

 

I can't believe how much this board has turned on Ariza. Despite his play this season, I'd still take him over Artest. Artest use to hold onto the ball for 10 seconds and jack up a contested shot. This is far worse than Ariza's shot selection.

Can we have this offense with Artest on board? We wouldn't be one of the top offensively with Artest. Ariza's game is not as bad as everyone's making it out to be. He makes mistakes, but to say that he lacks all fundamental basketball skills is ridiculous. You think Ariza's 2.5 turnovers per game this season is godawful? Try Artest's 2.26 turnovers per game for his career.

And don't expect Von Wafer to come in and take Ariza's spot in the starting lineup. Heck, don't expect Von Wafer to come in and be part of the core rotation for a couple of games. I don't know why everyone here wants to lose more games. His defense is awful. I just hope he learns the new offense, because this year we running the same offense. I don't know what's with this forum and jumping the gun on players, but Ariza's here to stay and will probably be in the starting line-up unless we get a superstar wingman from the Mcgrady trade.

Ariza will do fine as the replacement for Battier in the future. I sincerely think he will be a Rocket for the remainder of his contract, so why not just support him? He'll look alot better when Yao comes back, and if he doesn't...then we should be looking to trade him, but with a reduced role, he will be fine.

 

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I agree.

Ironic that some people on the board want Ariza to be more talkative and active like Ron was..

 

If I could rep you, I would.

 

I just want Rafer, Jr. to stop dribbling and shooting outside of five feet; drive (without dribbling ) and play defense. Don't stand at the three point line, those shots are history.

 

We're fans and we say whatever we want to say.
DM is a businessman and he does whatever those suitups want to do.

 

I think it's quite simple some people turn back on Ariza, who has been consistently wasting shots and committing turnovers which really doesn't help this team win.
I don't like Ron Artest very much, but this year he's doing really not bad with LA. I think the difference is Ron understands his role and executes better than Ariza. You may want to argue Ariza is forced to score or what, but it's really important to understand who you are, what you are good at and try to better use your strengthes against the defenders and not let the defenders use your bad against you. In this Ariza has a long way to go, and this is the reason why I don't think he will grow into All star caliber player.
And we as fans are responsible for managing expectations...this team is good at hustle and teaming, way not talent...so hold a low profile and don't want too much from the players including Ariza at least not this year

 

Something else that's ironic:

Do yall remember that just before Artest arrived in Houston last year, the media cooked up this supposed feud between him and Yao, with Yao alleggedly dissing Ron about his brawling past. We were scared they'd never get along.

Yet those two went on to take us to the 2nd round...