Now that McGrady is gone, who is the biggest ball stopper on this team?

He has fundamentals down I think the problem with Ariza is he has no creativity he has very low ballhandling IQ? all he has is a few moves. Once he uses his move and it doesn't work/he gets trapped, picks up his dribble then it's where do I throw the ball.

 

They are not playmaking all stars, then again neither is Yao but he demands attention and doubles from the opponents D. Therefore will get Trevor wide open shots from three by design including of course Shane, AB, Budinger and even Andersen if they end up on the court together.

Everyone doesn't seem to understand that Trevor's come a long way since he was drafted in the 2nd round by the Knicks. In Orlando he rarely saw any type of playing time and from there was shipped to LA on the cheap.

Where he flourished with his athleticism, plus it did not hurt that he was playing with the best player in the league.

He is still a young 24 and has talent that has yet to be tapped. If he ever does is a question he would have to answer by his work ethic and practice.

 

Really?

When I watch him I see him losing his dribble all the time, passing the ball behind the cutters time and time again, and missing wide open shots.

Which fundamental do you think he has down?

DD

 

Totally agree his Dribbling is atrocious, his shooting i'm guessing is alot worse than the team expected. This is why I say if they give him more of a defined role these things I believe will improve. Right now just letting him do whatever he wants is to much for him imo. To me his passing is fine, it's just usually when he gets in trouble and has nowhere to go

 

Good Post

 

I agree

 

Probably Ariza. But McGrady was only a ball stopper because the offense he played in called for it. He is/was actually MUCH less of a ball stopper than almost any other star swingman or 2-guard, and had incredible passing ability. It's a damn shame that all this injury drama shizz developed, because I think he would have worked wonders in Adelman's offense.

Trevor Ariza blows in his current role, but he CAN hit the open three and spread the floor, and he can play with a tone of energy and be productive for us on both ends. Problem is that we're asking him to do way too much right now (or he's choosing to do way too much). That will stop if we get some more star power and/or when Yao returns I think

 

Being a finisher vs a ball stopper are 2 different things. Maggette is a straight scorer. His job or his m.o. is to score come hell or high water. He's very effecient at what he does. Being a guy that surveys on the path to creating is totally different. There are alot of case to be made about ball stoppers as you so frequently complain about. Its as if you want guys to pass the ball before even viewing how the defense is playing them. Now, i admit, there are times in a offense when the receiver has instructions of being just a ball reversal guy, but most times,most coaches always tell you to read the defense before passing the ball. When a guy receives the ball and doesn't read the defense, thats criminal.

 

But don't you have to have someone to be the focal point of offense? Especially when the game is on the line. Do you really believe that non ball stopping offense is the way to championship? Every team needs a go to guy. I thought that's someone we don't have and we need to have.

 

His name rhymes with Febreza.

 

I am so glad you said that. Why on earth do u call mcgrady a ball stopper when he is a scorer??? Your makin no sense right now. The ball goes in mcgradys hands it stops but he makes something happen for himself or another teammate. Landry gets the ball it stops and he scores for himself and that's it. They both are scorers so why is one a scorer and the other a ball stopper?

 

Ball stopper? It is probably Landry.


I may get flack but truthfully, once he gets passed the ball, he is going to shoot it 90% of the time. You rarely see him pass it out, so yeah, giving Landry the ball stops it.

Now if we are talking about guys that take the ball and mainly do nothing with it for at least 5 seconds or more when confronted by another player, then you got a bigger issue, because a lot of times, Battier, Ariza and Hayes fall into that category of play. Although Battier has gotten better at moving with the ball, he still has offensive issues.

 

Funny thing about it.Is that nobody cares when a ballstopper scores..anyways .How can Ariza be a ballstopper when he can"t even handle the ball.. :grin:

 

Landry isn't a ball stopper he's a ball-putter-in-the-basket.

 

To me to be a ballstopper means that the player stops moving the ball when he is NOT supposed to.

This can be because the person is a bad passer, has bad judgment as to when to pass, or is selfish and wants to take a shot whenever he can get away with it.

IMO Ariza is a ballstopper because of bad judgement.

Landry would not be a ball stopper because usually when he gets the ball he is expected to be aggresive due to his offensive efficiency.

 

well, technically chuck but realistically it's Ariza, it's not that he doesn't move, it's that he doesn't know where and how to move!!! His offence is very frustrating to watch

 

Because McGrady stopped being a scorer when his efficiency tanked.....once he got down into the low 40s, and then worse the 30s, he stopped being a scorer and became a ball stopper.

I did not always dislike his game, just when he was inefficient like he is now.

DD

 

You've said this before but he is playing out of position and I agree with you. That doesn't mean he does not have the fundamentals down. He is definitely trying to do too much and that's because that is what Adelman is asking of him.

 

Technically Ariza doesn't stop the ball, he just usually gives it to the other team in the form of either a turnover or a missed shot. I agree that is painful watching Ariza try to play offense, so hopefully we will get a scorer soon.