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Is it time to start talking about trading someone other than McGrady?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Aussie_Fozzey, Jan 6, 2010.

  1. J-Wood

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    I disagree becasue right now like it or not Brooks and Landry are our superstars. So for you to say that Kyle is untouchable and Brooks isnt is just....really I dont even have word for that. AB is the future and to your point about saying we would get much more in a trade for brooks, well you are correct. but the reason that we would get more is because is value is much more than Kyle's right now.
     
  2. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    So Ariza jacks up a ton of shots and loses us games. What have we really got to lose this season anyway? We don't suck enough to get a lottery pick, our guys have too much heart to simply tank, and we aren't going anywhere in the playoffs anyways. This is an awesome time for us to try to see if Ariza and other young ones can develope. It is not exactly Rockets science you know... well maybe it actually is!! :grin:
     
  3. varuscelli

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    Yeah, sorry...it's not my place to judge (that's for sure) and maybe it was an unneeded observation. All the best... :)
     
  4. J-Wood

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    so what role are you saying he will play when Yao returns? when Yao comes back the offense then runs through him and we play inside out offense. Everyone that surrounds him needs to be able to shoot the ball well. So Ariza would definitely have to improve his shooting no matter what position he plays.
     
  5. Dave_78

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    Ok, so you don't want to take a stab at answering my question?
     
  6. chenjy9

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    Ariza is one of those players that is at his best when the defense is not focusing on him and he is free to roam around create havoc, whether that means getting into passing lanes or cutting to the basket.
     
  7. jump shooter

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    Thank the lord your not the rocket GM. Lowry untouchabe. LOL. Geeez
     
  8. Dave_78

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    Brooks only has value here because the team is depleted of scorers. I'm assuming any deal including Brooks would be a package deal with Tslack that would bring in at least one legit scorer. That makes Brooks much less valuable and probably makes Kyle even more valuable due to his superior distributing skills with the ball.

    Brooks is really just a stopgap to me. I would prefer to see him as a 6th man gunner type off of the bench but he isn't the type of player that makes everyone else better. Once this team upgrades fire power I think that will become obvious.

    Sell high!
     
  9. Dave_78

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    It's ok. My response was not meant to be understood by the more "simple" members here. Based on your past postings, you fall into that category, my friend.
     
  10. J-Wood

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    Well I dont think the orginization feels as though they cant go anywhere, otherwise there would have been nothing to jeopordize bringing Tracy back into the line up.

    Rick and Daryl believe that this team can win, maybe not a championship but obviously enough to where they are not taking chances to damage chemistry. So I dont think they are looking at this season as a throw away season.
     
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    Jumpshots are different when you have to create your own. He is playing out of position and his position should be spot-up shooter not ballhandler/playmaker. His specialty is also defense.
     
  12. J-Wood

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    We shall see if youre correct, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mine is that I think he is one of the last people that they are trying to trade right now. But hey like DM says, nobody is untouchable!!!
     
  13. towW

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    Brooks a stopgap? Do you watch Rockets games?
     
  14. Sooner423

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    I don't know Dave. Brooks is really the only true scorer on the team. I wouldn't give that up without getting a heck of a scorer back. We couldn't even crack 80 last night, can you imagine what it would have been without Brooks?

    I value Lowry a lot, and I also feel he's just about as good as Brooks, better in a lot of ways. I think they're a near perfect tandem. I think they should see the floor together more often. Some of those 40 minutes a night Ariza is getting, should be going to Lowry and Budinger.
     
  15. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    then you'd be giving up 10 more points to the other team.
     
  16. J-Wood

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    I agree, Brooks is the speed/scorer and Kyle has the tougness/vision. I would like to see them both stay. they have proven to be dangerous when playing together.
     
  17. jump shooter

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    If you only knew who you were talking too. You stating Hayes as being untouchable, is even more laughable.
     
  18. Dave_78

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    I do and I see a guy who can put up pretty good offensive numbers some nights and be completely useless to the team on others. In fact, if he isn't scoring he isn't helping the team at all. Don't get me wrong, I like him and don't want him traded but I feel like his skill (scoring) at the rate he does it is not that hard to replace.

    My IDEAL situation would be for the Rockets to land a solid, scoring SG and start him along with Lowry and have Brooks come off the bench. However, if we can't I think the combination of Brooks perceived value and the salary that will come with that down the road makes him the guy I would rather see gone.

    I agree about Brooks (and Landry) being the only true scorer but I assume any deal involving Brooks (and Tslack) will bring in a good to very good scorer at the SG position. That would not only make Brooks scoring less important but it would make his inability to find the open man an even bigger weakness. Lowry would fit in much better.
     
  19. Dave_78

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    You going to find a better post defender for under $3 million (and who will probably resign for the same amount in two years)?
     
  20. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I gottan agree with you on Chuck. His defending ability is not common at that price range.
     

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