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McGrady Tired of These Cameo Roles

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by worzel gummidge, Dec 24, 2009.

  1. saleem

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    Trading him for junk won't work,because DM will be lowballed like crazy. The 23 M expiring contract is no gold mine. His comments are out of line for sure. The Rockets have been patient. DM isn't going to make a rash move.
    I would rather send him home eg Tinsley instead of taking a bad offer which will hurt us in the long run.
     
  2. sammy

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    Really, I think he looks energetic on Defense and is missing assignments versus being "lazy" No he doesn't look like he's spastic but I don't think that's a requirement of a good defender. He's been beat when he jumps up and gotten faked out - clearly he's still getting re-adjusted.

    The statistics can't say anything but it's a total of 48 minutes across 6 games. That's too small of a sample for any statistics.

    If you need statistics to back up that he doesn't sucks then you need statistics to back that he does - and I don't think you can come up with anything on such a small sample.

    He looks good.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    So for 7 out of 8.

    Link to post.

    Although 7 is a bit of a stretch....

    To Ostriches afraid of the truth of the moment.

    DD
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Well of course........he posted that he failed the physical with nothing to back it up....

    And, I apologized because I was wrong.....

    Stop being obtuse Sammy, and making this thread about me...

    It is about TMac and his FAILURE to play hard....and NOTHING anyone says will change that....

    DD
     
  6. roxwin

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    I see old Tmac in Magic here
     
  7. MiddleMan

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    You are right, post a video of yourself and give some insight.
     
  8. sammy

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    Only time will tell. For the Rockets sake, lets hope he has a successful season. Will only make it easier to trade him, right?
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Nope, whether he plays well or not is irrelevent he is an expiring contract, no one can afford to trade for him because he holds all the power of signing a new contract.

    Therefore the Rockets have to trade him to get any value out of him at all....

    DD
     
  10. robbie380

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    so did anyone ever confirm that quote the sports writer posted about tracy saying he wanted to be showcased for a trade?
     
  11. t_mac1

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    (On idea he is being showcased for trade) “It is a business. It is what it is. Whoever gets me is going to get a hungry player. Whoever gets me will get a hungry player…I don’t care if I go to the moon. It doesn’t matter.”


    from NBA.com

    a reporter asked him on the idea of being showcased, something that the media has been rumbling about since he has returned.
     
  12. 11Rox4Life3

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    I may be new here, but I've been following the board for a while now.

    Your too hard to argue with, that's the problem. In one thread, you'll claim statistics aren't the measure of how well someone isn't playing, and then when one poster claims, what they saw from McGrady was particularly good, you'll shoot it down because the statistics aren't present. It's impossible to argue with someone so hard headed, that changes his opinion nearly every time he visits this board.

    You were just like this before the off-season, but when all was looking like McGrady was set to come back by the start of the season, you jumped onto the bandwagon as if playing McGrady was the right thing to do. Look, I think he's worn out his welcome here too, and it's probably best to part ways, but the frustration of McGrady this season is warrant.

    It may be a sort of payback from what he did to us last season, but remember you're the man all about "What have you done for me now." And T-Mac has worked hard this off-season to return to a level we're all accustomed to.

    In the first game back, he played hard defensively, and played within the teams flow. Against the Nuggets, he looked lost offensively, but once again, on Melo I thought he did a better job in his minutes than even Battier did the rest of the game. It's just that he gets so scrutinized during those minutes, and the type of reputation Battier has, all the blame would go on McGrady.

    Against the Mavs was similar to the first game, he contested some shots, even got Dirk once, and played within the teams offense, hitting a jumper coming off a screen. In seven fricking minutes, what the hell else is he supposed to do?? He was playing hard on both ends of the floor.

    In the Clippers game, he looked good offensively, he knocked down two jumpers, was attacking, and finished his FT's. I'll admit he wasn't as good defensively as his previous two, but I don't think they were because of a complete lack of effort moreso because he seems lost with the defensive scheme, and is doubling/helping too much down low that at this point he's not quick enough to rotate back to the shooter.

    He put up a clunker last night, he moved well, but couldn't finish the layup, looked very lost defensively, again doubling down too much, and only hit one shot. But the reality is..

    He's only played 6 games back from microfracture. Even if he was dropping 20 points, and 5 assists in those seven minutes, while we'd win all those games, I'm SURE you'd come up with another sort of excuse to why he's playing poorly. It's the same, all the TOF's have excuses for his play which is inexcusable, and all the T-Mac haters (such as yourself, which is fine, but don't try to deny it) have excuses for even when he shows something in his game.

    I mean, "show me the statistics," to prove he's not playing hard? He's guarded Carmelo Anthony, Vince Carter, Dirk Nowitzki, and did a decent job on both Melo and Dirk. Carter burned him yesterday, but it was obvious McGrady wasn't up to speed yet, because the use of the pick completely took him out of the play. We saw him try to fight through it, but he couldn't. He could have fought HARDER which is always the case, but the fact he showed ZERO effort is a false notion.

    He's been trying to help way too much on defense, and he's not quick enough at this point to rotate to the shooters. He bit on Carter's pumpfake which let Carter get right to the basket. Again, he was trying to contest the shot, but fell for the fake, and did a bad job. If I recall, I saw Battier getting beat on the pick and roll play too. It wasn't his effort that made him get beat, it's just because VC is superior athletically, and with the Magic's shooters, it's hard to guard.

    I think tmac played "dumb" defensively last night, but like the T-Mac apologists cannot prove he has not played well, especially with statistics as you pointed out (aside from the Clippers game), YOU cannot prove that T-Mac hasn't put any effort in these games either.

    Whatever happens, its time for him to go. The stay here in Houston has worn out, even if McGrady can provide something for this team, it's probably for the better. The problem is for who, and for what?
     
  13. Mr. Clutch

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    No one can trade for him, therefore the Rockets must trade him.

    Makes perfect sense.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    No you missed the point entirely.

    No one will GUT their team to trade for him as anything more than an expiring contract.

    His salary is simply too high.....

    Therefore, because he expires, his entire value as a player is his contract.

    No one will trade for him as a player.....they will only trade for him to get out of some longer term contracts and start over.

    I hope that is more clear.

    DD
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Welcome to the boards, while I don't agree with a lot of what you said, it was well thought out and reasoned nicely.

    And I am hard to argue with because I am right so danged often, it is such a burden.

    ;) (winky guy means I am kidding)

    DD
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    The Rockets are playing him to show that he does have value as a player.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    I think they are playing him a bit for that, but mostly to see if he can help the team this year......before jettising him.

    Other teams will want the PR of "We get a free look at him for the next 3 months to fool the more naive of their fanbase, but the truth is what it is.

    DD
     
  18. solid

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    Step right up folks, what are we offered for an NBA All Star. Yes sir Bob, this is a vintage All Star. Let the bidding begin!
     
  19. Mr. Clutch

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    The Rockets are playing TMac to provide PR for other teams? Sorry if I don't buy that.
     
  20. RV6

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    There's nothing to confirm, tmac wasn't saying that was the case, sounded like he was asnwering a question that probably went like this "tmac do you think you're being showcased for a trade by being put out there on alimited basis?" and tmac just baiscally said no because if that was the case they'd put him out there a little longer, i think he said 15-20 mins, i guess sohe could get into a rythm and potnetially show more.
     

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