No K mart in a Rockets Uniform. For sure 100% Sure! We are only seeking players who can fit our chemistry. K Mart does not fit in with our Rockets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did they become close from all the time they spent together on the bench? Kmart didn't get any PT under RA. He only blossomed after RA was fired.
even though K-mart is a good solid scoring guard, but why would we give up scola..?? am serious what's the point ?? we are playing great right now and Scola has been the most consistent player in our team this year, all we need is let t-mac walk in the free agency and sign great player in 2010, Honestly I don't like K-mart, i know he can shoot the lights out, but I don't think he can be good addition to our team...
Well, his 1 dimension happens to be the most overrated aspect of basketball, scoring. His overall impact just isn't that great. I would say he's a slightly worse player than Shane Battier. So at or below the mid-level exception, I would consider him a nice pickup.
K-Mart was a starter in Adelman's last year in Sacramento. Scoring efficiently and getting to the line 10+ times per game is never overrated. Especially whenever that player is capable of doing it within the flow of the offense. If the Kobe's and Roy's are going to victimize us like they always do, I wouldn't mind having a player that's able to at least cancel them out statistically. Besides, his biggest problem defensively is his lack of upper body strength. His instincts, basketball IQ and quickness make him respectable in that regard.
Yeah that was actually my article. Looking back, including Scola was probably a poor decision, I guess I really overvalued Martin. From what I've seen of Martin, he actually works off the ball quite a bit. Part of everyone "standing around watching" is that he's never really had much to work with until this year, and he's only played four games this season. Even then, Tyreke Evans only came on after Martin's injury. Martin isn't a player that needs to dominate the ball to score, he's a great shooter and that would work well with our offense. Plus, we can use him off screen and rolls or isolations on the wing/elbow like we would Mcgrady. To keep it simple, I'd just rather see Kevin Martin taking all those shots that Ariza takes than see Ariza take them.
Some of you guys act like K-Mart is like Allen Iverson, he's not. He's like a more efficient version of Michael Redd.
he can score though, it would be interesting to see how that would work out, but i would never give up scola in this trade and take back kenny thomas and nocioni although nocioni can play a bit. i'd let mac's contract expire, sign lowry, landry, and scola to extensions, and see how all the pieces fit after Yao returns. and sign Mac if possible to a cheaper, shorter contract. get er done morey.
Keep tmac. Last night proved why he should stay. Resign landry and lowry. Sign and trade scola, he's good bur he's getting older. And landry deserves more minutes
Martin is a rich mans Wafer. All he can do is score. I'm not too sure of his mentality either, and I really dislike his shot. In a quick conclusion... T-Mac > Martin
Kmart is really underrated on this forum. He is an unselfish scorer who can live without the ball in his hands (which is absolutely fantastic for our team). He won't disrupt the offense. He's still young and is underrated in the entire league. The guy is a beast.
Skeletor seems pretty injury prone these days and he doesn't really have much impact on games. Why else would Sacto be so bad year after year until he got injured?
1. Have you been watching this team play? You do not need a specific player to match the Kobe's and Roy's of the league - the goal is for the TEAM to score more points than the other team. For that to occur there needs to be some balance of limiting the opposing team's offense and creating offense for our team. We need a playmaker who can maintain adequate defense more than a scorer. It's isn't like Martin is consistently taking it to his counterparts anyway. He may shoot high percentages most games but his opponents shoot a high percentage most games they play him. Code: [B]Kevin Martin H2H against other notable shooting guards Player G W L GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS[/B] Kobe Bryant 13 8 5 13 40.3 10.5 21.5 .491 2.1 5.3 .391 8.2 9.5 .863 0.8 5.2 6.0 7.2 1.8 0.4 3.0 2.8 31.4 Kevin Martin 13 5 8 11 28.1 4.6 9.7 .476 0.9 2.8 .324 4.3 5.4 .800 0.8 1.8 2.5 1.7 0.5 0.0 1.5 1.7 14.5 Dwyane Wade 7 6 1 7 37.7 9.1 17.9 .512 0.4 1.3 .333 6.7 9.6 .701 0.7 4.6 5.3 7.7 1.6 1.6 3.4 1.9 25.4 Kevin Martin 7 1 6 6 30.6 3.4 10.0 .343 1.1 3.9 .296 6.0 6.7 .894 0.1 2.4 2.6 1.0 0.3 0.1 2.1 1.9 14.0 Manu Ginobili 13 10 3 7 28.1 5.0 10.5 .478 1.2 3.6 .340 4.1 4.7 .869 0.7 3.1 3.8 3.5 1.4 0.4 2.4 2.2 15.3 Kevin Martin 13 3 10 7 26.8 3.8 9.7 .397 0.7 2.1 .333 4.2 4.8 .857 0.9 2.8 3.7 0.4 1.1 0.0 1.5 1.6 12.5 Joe Johnson 9 5 4 9 37.3 8.0 16.7 .480 1.8 4.6 .390 2.3 2.9 .808 0.7 3.0 3.7 5.1 0.6 0.0 4.1 2.7 20.1 Kevin Martin 9 4 5 7 32.6 6.3 13.4 .471 1.6 4.7 .333 6.1 7.3 .833 1.2 4.6 5.8 1.9 1.1 0.2 1.1 1.7 20.3 Kevin Martin 7 4 3 7 35.7 6.4 13.7 .469 1.1 4.6 .250 5.4 6.1 .884 0.6 5.4 6.0 2.9 0.7 0.3 3.0 3.1 19.4 Brandon Roy 7 3 4 7 37.3 5.7 13.0 .440 1.1 4.0 .286 2.6 3.3 .783 1.4 3.1 4.6 5.1 1.4 0.1 2.1 2.3 15.1 Andre Iguodala 6 5 1 6 35.5 6.2 9.7 .638 1.2 2.2 .538 4.3 5.5 .788 1.8 4.8 6.7 4.0 1.5 0.8 2.2 2.5 17.8 Kevin Martin 6 1 5 6 35.5 5.5 11.8 .465 1.7 4.5 .370 4.3 5.3 .813 0.7 2.7 3.3 1.2 0.5 0.3 1.7 3.2 17.0 Kevin Martin 7 5 2 4 23.6 3.3 9.1 .359 1.1 3.4 .333 3.1 3.3 .957 0.7 2.9 3.6 2.0 0.4 0.1 1.9 1.0 10.9 Vince Carter 7 2 5 7 33.4 7.7 16.6 .466 0.6 2.7 .211 4.0 5.6 .718 1.0 4.0 5.0 4.7 0.7 0.4 3.1 3.0 20.0 Kevin Martin 10 6 4 8 30.2 3.9 10.3 .379 1.4 3.1 .452 5.4 6.3 .857 0.6 2.8 3.4 1.7 1.2 0.2 2.0 2.1 14.6 Jason Richardson10 4 6 10 33.2 7.6 16.2 .469 2.3 6.4 .359 2.8 4.8 .583 1.3 3.9 5.2 3.1 1.2 1.0 1.4 2.5 20.3 Leandro Barbosa 14 10 4 4 27.9 6.5 12.1 .538 1.6 3.8 .434 2.7 2.9 .927 0.4 2.5 2.9 2.0 1.2 0.1 1.3 2.1 17.4 Kevin Martin 14 4 10 10 28.6 3.9 9.9 .399 1.6 3.6 .460 4.0 4.5 .889 0.5 3.5 4.0 1.3 1.0 0.1 1.4 1.9 13.5 Kevin Martin 11 6 5 10 37.3 6.5 15.0 .436 2.5 5.8 .438 5.5 6.3 .870 1.1 3.7 4.8 3.4 1.1 0.3 1.6 2.2 21.1 Mike Miller 11 5 6 8 34.8 5.3 10.4 .509 2.0 4.8 .415 1.5 2.5 .607 0.5 5.0 5.5 4.6 0.4 0.6 2.2 3.2 14.1 As expected, for the most part he's getting outplayed by the really good SG's and is performing closer to the level of the role player SG's. 2. He IS NOT a respectable defender. He's one of the worst defenders in the league. The defensive adjusted +/- numbers tend to back that up if you don't believe me. Tim Kawakami of mercury news does a better job of describing Martin's defense than me in this article . [rquoter] G Kevin Martin, Sacramento Kings: Yep, he only played 51 games due to injury. But what an amazing 51 games he played–on a team that might’ve played worse defense, at least percentage-wise, than even the Warriors. No regular-rotation player in the league (that I could find) had a worse set of defensive stats: Kings’ opponents scored an NBA-high 118.1 points per 100 possessions when Martin was on the floor, which dropped to 113.6 when he was on the bench. Also, opponents shot 53.5% EFG when he played and 51.7% when he didn’t. But Martin’s the NDPOY not just because of stats. It’s because of so many things–he had only 8 blocks in 1,947 minutes; he had a -246 plus/minus, which gave him a worse per-minute rate than almost every other Kings regular (and Martin’s supposed to be their best player); Martin scored a lot but whenever he was matched against a tough wing opponent, that guy usually scored more, at a higher shooting percentage. Nobody does less with more talent and length than Martin. For that, he’s a richly deserving NDPOY.[/rquoter] 3. I say efficient scoring is overrated even though it is great to score efficiently, preferred actually. It's overrated because fans become blinded by the percentages and forget all the other aspects basketball. Fans go crazy over a player like Anthony Morrow while a player like Kyle Lowry's game may be less pretty but more effective.
Yes, I have been watching. Schematically, I wasn't implying that simply matching a Kobe or Roy point-for-point is the way to go. There's not an NBA coach out there (even D'Antoni) that would think that's a rational approach. I was merely implying it would be nice to have a player from the wing spots that can fill up the stat-sheets consistently like the Kobe's and Roy's can instead of seeing our wing production basically consistent of Battier going 2-8 for 5 points in 40 minutes plus whichever inconsistent wild card (Artest/Wafer last year, Ariza this year) we're playing next to him giving us who-knows-what. Look, you're preaching to the choir here. I agree 100% that: (1) We need another playmaker from the wing spots that can handle the rock, create offense for others and breakdown a defense whenever the opponent clamps down late in the game (which makes the reluctance to play Tracy quite perplexing) and/or (2) We need another legit big that could start this year and provide all the qualities that we're missing, in addition to providing some Yao insurance in the future. I realize Martin doesn't quality as the playmaking wing we're both discussing. Is it ideal? No, but you act like finding quality playmakers from the wings spots is easy. Like these players fall off trees or something. There are maybe 4-5 players in the league that can run an offense from the wing and they're just about all untouchable. So, really, if the first option is unrealistic where does that leave you? Martin is definitely a "next best thing" type idea to consider. I appreciate the work you did on that chart. You're overlooking how he's always been asked to be a #1 option and how that wouldn't be the case here, but i'm not oblivious -- I read all the numbers, I hear all the stories and I see it before my eyes. He's not a very good defender. Is he shockingly bad? No, but what I am saying here is he at least had the quickness and smarts to seemingly always be in the right spots and at least going through the motions -- he just also seems to get burned and/or overpowered sometimes. Again, I smirk at some of the posters here that act like we start five Hakeem's on defense. It's entirely possible to mask a bad defender or two on a good defensive team provided you have the coaching and personnel to do so. I really don't see how that couldn't work here. After all, we have perhaps the best on-ball defender in basketball and he consistently gets burned if you go by the numbers. If you live-and-die by stats alone, Battier is just as bad defensively as Martin. Now, I would never believe that nor do I believe there's a correlation, but it helps provide an example of why everything that you provided in that link is borderline bogus and should be taken with a grain of salt. Points per 100 possessions, +/-'s.....I mean, could you really pick more deceptive categories to focus on? But anyway, overall you provided some quality analysis and arguments. I do think you're underestimating the impact he could have on a team like this (especially next to Yao) but to each his own. Like I said, I don't think it's ideal....I just think it could work. So what if he's like the SG equivalent of Amare? That type of player will still drive an opponent MAD -- especially with his ability to the line and force teams into the bonus early. Hell, getting a player that draws fouls thereby increasing the likelihood of us entering the bonus was one of the main selling points of the Lowry trade.
If I were you I would close the thread because the Kings will never do this. Trading a player like Kevin for....uhmm....let's see...a few millions more in the books and no replacement ? In all seriousness, they will never do it. Case closed.
more value contracts ariza was our last superstar and he kinda got a little scorched by willams last night a rookie we need a value big man that will back up yao next year a very tall order all of the charges that we have been taking in order 2 protect the middle will come at a much higher price in the playoffs we need beef
