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Copenhagen Marxfest Cheers as Chavez Condemns Capitalism

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Shovel Face, Dec 18, 2009.

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  1. Shovel Face

    Shovel Face Member

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    Please watch the President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela get enthusiastic ovations from the Copenhagen delegates as he quotes Karl Marx.


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    "We could say that there is a ghost lurking. To paraphrase Karl Marx there is a ghost running through the streets of Copenhagen. And I think that ghost is silent, somewhere in this room, amongst us. Coming through the corridors and underneath. And that ghost is a terrible ghost and nobody wants to name him or her. It’s capitalism. Capitalism is that ghost. Nobody I don’t think wants to name it. Capitalism. I’ve also been struck by some of the signs outside this conference. One sign in particular that reads, “Don’t change the climate … change the system!” I particularly liked that one and would add to that by saying that by changing the system, we could save the planet. The destructive model of capitalism is eradicating life."
     
    #1 Shovel Face, Dec 18, 2009
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    #2 MojoMan, Dec 18, 2009
  3. mc mark

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    There are some things in life that should not be based on profit motives.

    Healthcare and stewardship of the planet are a couple of them.
     
    #3 mc mark, Dec 18, 2009
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    mc mark,

    I am for healthcare reform but its pretty ridiculous to tell a guy who spent 8 years in school trying to get to a certain point and another several years of training that he/she shouldn't try to earn a profit.

    I hope that's not what you mean
     
    #4 pgabriel, Dec 18, 2009
  5. Shovel Face

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    YES! Rocket's trainer Keith Jones should work for the almighty state, that greedy capitalist b*stard!!!
     
    #5 Shovel Face, Dec 18, 2009
  6. mc mark

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    No one is saying someone can't earn a living as a doctor but last time I read the Hippocratic Oath, there was nothing about exploiting people for profit.

    And I was speaking mainly to insurance companies and corporations that put profit over healthcare.
     
    #6 mc mark, Dec 18, 2009
  7. pgabriel

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    its all good,

    but I don't think doctors exploit people. I think there are plenty of problems but i have no problem with doctor salaries. we could reduce standards so we could have more doctors, but I think that wouldn't put a dent in the costs.
     
    #7 pgabriel, Dec 18, 2009
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    I know right? Doctors should be able to make as much as they can but damn those insurance companies that bridge the funding gap between what you can afford and what your doctor wants to charge you!
     
    #8 justtxyank, Dec 18, 2009
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    monopolies aren't capitalism. people tend to forget that.
     
    #9 bingsha10, Dec 18, 2009
  10. MojoMan

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    Great post. That is exactly right.

    Anything that is "single-payer" is a monopoly, and it is not capitalism.
     
    #10 MojoMan, Dec 18, 2009
  11. LScolaDominates

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    I'm going to have to agree with Chavez on this one.

    OH NOEZ IM A COMMIE!!!!1111
     
    #11 LScolaDominates, Dec 18, 2009
  12. Shovel Face

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    Well at least you are man enough to admit it, unlike most Liberals.
     
    #12 Shovel Face, Dec 18, 2009
  13. pirc1

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    Pure Capitalism does not work, and there are no pure capitalism anyway. But Capitalism mixed with social safety net and regulations is what makes things go.
     
    #13 pirc1, Dec 18, 2009
  14. DonnyMost

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    this thread is a pretty awesome microcosm of why the republican party is in tatters.

    an OP with little purpose or meaning, lots of rhetoric, plenty of bitterness, no ideas or solutions, etc.
     
    #14 DonnyMost, Dec 18, 2009
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    Chavez is a Republican?
     
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  16. DonnyMost

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    Yeah dude.

    Didn't you know?
     
    #16 DonnyMost, Dec 18, 2009
  17. Shovel Face

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    :grin:
     
    #17 Shovel Face, Dec 18, 2009
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    but as far as i understand, the US is the only country in which doctors' salaries are exorbitantly higher than the national average (please correct me if i'm wrong here)
     
    #18 pippendagimp, Dec 18, 2009
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    If you took the opposite view of this cartoon, concentrating wealth and over exploiting resources, has led to disaster to quite a few civilizations and societies.
     
    #19 rocketsjudoka, Dec 18, 2009
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    But how do you prevent them in an unregulated market?
     
    #20 rocketsjudoka, Dec 18, 2009
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