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More Palastinian terror !

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  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    How long will Israel have to endure this? The PLO and Hamas and Jihad are continuing to attack innocent civilians.

    Palastinian attack

    This is pathetic, I think Israel should lock down the territories, go house to house and eliminate all guns and explosives. Instigate Marshall law, and then after 10 years reinstate negotitions.

    The Palastinians don't deserve a country...they certainly are not proving to be part of a civilized world.

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  2. F.D. Khan

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    "I think Israel should lock down the territories, go house to house and eliminate all guns and explosives. Instigate Marshall law "

    DaDakota,

    They have been doing this and worse for over 30 years, and that is why groups such as Hamas were spawned. There was not this type of extremism in the past, the deplorable conditions and children growing up in war-torn refugee camps are suceptible to this wrong way of thinking.
     
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    Why don't they just go in and bulldoze houses? Oops, they already did that in Jenin and the West Bank. Why don't they place more people in crowded refugee camps? Tried that too, huh? They should just bring in tanks and crush the opposition, right? :rolleyes:

    Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, not all Palestinians are part of Hamas , PLO, and Jihad? Similarly, not all Americans are part of the KKK or Aryan Nation. The actions of Hamas, etc. should not prevent the general Palestinian public from being granted basic human rights. There's a reason why thousands of Israeli soldiers have refused to take part in the West Bank invasion. These soldiers want no part in the human rights violations that take place there. Sharon has been opened criticized by members of his own Cabinet and the Knesset for his actions in Jenin and other terrorist camps.

    It's terrible that these terrorist organizations are attacking civilians. But it's clear that the more aggressive Sharon gets with Palestine, the more attacks will come. Both sides have been at it for months, and should seriously rethink their tactics and policies. Instead of attacking all Palestinians, maybe the Israeli army should work together and help the innocent Palestinians to get rid of Hamas, etc.
     
  4. RocketMan Tex

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    i've said it before and I'll say it again....

    Nothing will change in the Middle East until both the Israelis and the Palestinians get a new generation of leadership that understands once and for all that violence doesn't solve anything.
     
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    I'm certain they would if the Palestinians would show some sign, ANY sign, that they actually wanted to get rid of Hamas, etc.
     
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    "A pox on both their houses."
    I completely agree! The leadership on BOTH sides have failed their people........:(
     
  7. Rocket River

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    u know. . . i wonder what the worder would be like with you as pres. . . . .

    I think we'd see more war than a little bit


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  8. DaDakota

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    I don't want war, I want peace.

    The problem is that the Palastinians do NOTHING to stop Hamas and Jihad.

    Do you think for a moment that Hamas and Jihad would be able to operate if the majority of palastinians did not support them?

    They would call the security forces and have them arrested.

    Too bad that the PLO that runs the security force does nothing when told of potential terrorist hideouts.

    I feel for both sides, especially the innocents, but they can not have a state.....it can not be a part of a settlement UNTIL the violence stops.

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    Sounds like that may be the problem.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    RM95,

    Yep......that is certainly one of them. Probably why Bush and Sharon want new leadership for the Palastinian people.

    My guess is that Sharon is willing to continue the norm until the Palastinian people get tired of having nothing to eat or any work and are broken and willing to sue for peace.

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    They have arrested the leader of Hamas. They did it some time ago, but it doesn't stop the violence.

    I don't think the Palestinians are wise to continue their suicide bombings, because it isn't helping them achieve their goal of a Palestinian state at all.

    Israel building more settlements bull dozing homes of innocent Palestinians, having different laws for Israelis than they do for Palestinians, and using crushing force isn't helping their country become any more secure. It only breeds more resentment which makes more people willing to blow themselves up.

    Until one side says it doesn't matter who started what, and decides not to respond with violence there won't be a change. Both sides are continuously beating their heads against the wall.

    Both sides are using tactics that don't work, and just keep using the same tactics. It's an exercise in futility.
     
  12. Azim da Dream

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    Both Arafat and Sharon must go, and be replaced by fresher, more forward-thinking, less stubborn-minded leaders.

    This is a vicious cycle of violence that needs to be stopped. While I am obviously biased in this matter, I don't see how either side can be classified as victims. The victims are the innocent civilians on both sides, many of whom had little problem with each other mere months ago.

    Fact is, you can't expect the Palestinians to simply resist and sit passively back while the land they share is taken away from them, like they did for the greater part of three decades. Problem is, they woke up too late.

    Azim da Dream
     
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    I agree Azim. I heard Michael Moore speak on the topic, and I liked his idea. I don't know if it's possible to implement or not, but if it could be it might work.

    Basically the Palestinians will still need martyrs they just won't die in suicide bombings anymore. Instead all of the Palestinians should peacefully surround banks major roadways etc. Just sit down in mass and block these key economic centers. It's not passive, but active, and it's peaceful. Then if Israel reacts with brutality the world will see. Israel won't be able to claim they were terrorized, but would be seen as undisputable oppressors. The entire world including the U.S. would have to act then.

    If Israel didn't react with brutality and instead turned to negotiations then everyone would be far ahead of where they are now.

    Anyway that's my two cents on the subject... Or actually that's Michael Moore's two cents, but I like it.
     
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    Cohen thanks for the link. I'm really glad that even in what seems like the worst of times the voice of peace still rings out.

    I think eventually the U.S. and hopefully multi-laterally will have to start putting some real pressure to bring about change. I think cutting military aid is a big card for us to play.
     

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