Nelson is out I believe. You're talking about a roster of Carter - aging all-star/Lewis - one dimensional/Pietrus - one dimensional/Williams- aging one dimensional If you take Howard out of that lineup, that roster would fall more down the list than a Cleveland without James or a Lakers without Kobe.
i agree with you that nash made his team mates what they are. AS is **** without nash. Well no one player can win, i felt that kobe really did well after shaq left. Yes they did not win anything, but they had a really bad team. LO is a 3rd or 4th scorer. He should not be the second best player on a team. Kwame brown was just plain bad. Kobe led that team to the playoffs and put up a great fight against a strong suns team. Also the west was really strong those couple of years. SO i say that you are wrong on the fact saying kobe was a tool after shaq left.
lol @ you thinking Cleveland would be better off without Lebron than Magic without Dwight. The Magic have so many players who can create on their own while most of Cleveland's players depend on Lebron to make plays for them. joke poster.
I think Nash is the most valuable, and his team has a great record. If the Cavs keep losing games to the Bobcats, No way I give Lebron MVP....
Let me spell it out for you so you can understand better. Phoenix is at (1) with a record of 13-3, Cleveland is at (8) with a record of 11-5 If you take Nash out of that lineup, I predict the team falls to (8), if you take James out of that lineup, I predict the team falls to (10). Since Nash is more valuable to Phoenix than James is to Cleveland, Nash deserves the MVP. It's not so much who's the better player, since James can beat Nash 1v1 individually.
what people are calling you out on is the fact that the suns supporting cast is better than the Cavs - it has nothing to do with where they are or where they will fall to, ESPECIALLY given they've played less then 20 percent of the season. By the end of the year most would expect the Cavs to have the Better record anyway. Again, speculative guesses as to where each team would fall are useless. Just look at the rosters - the suns have more talent. What's more even using your logic, you've way underrated the Magic supporting cast, overrated the Heat supporting cast and if I'm reading it right are implying the celtics MVP candidate is KG when it should be Pierce. That said, in my view MVP shouldn't be defined as the most valuable to their team, but to the league, thereby incorporating a players overall skill, value to their team, impact on the game, etc. I think most voters agree - which is why Nash has two MVPs in the first place - as oppossed to a John Stcokton as an example, who was a consistently better pg. Nash did put up great stats, but not league best, but his style was so new fresh and exciting and he really made that team go. If Phoenix finishes with a top record again, Nash will and should be considered. I think Lebron, in addition to being the best all around player today, consistently does more with less and is certainly the face of the NBA. He should and will get a strong look. Dwight shouldn't finish higher than fifth. He wasn't even his teams most important player last year - Hedo was.
How about this concept. MVP is now most valuable player for the League, not most valuable player to a team. or compare the MVP award to he Heisman trophy in NCAA
So in your opinion a team that has Amare Stoudemire (all star), Grant Hill (former all star), J-Rich (former All-Star) will fall to (8), but a team that has Shaq (former All-star), Boob Gibson (decent roleplayer), Mo Wiliams (expensive trash), Anderson Varejao (expensive trash), and Big Z will somehow still be the 10th best team in the league? What I'm trying to say, and what you don't seem to get, is even by going your logic the MVP is LBJ. If you go by stats the MVP is LBJ. If you go by best overall player in the league its LBJ. If you go by most important player in the league its still LBJ.
I agree. Its pretty much the way it was when Mike was in his prime you could give it to him almost every year. But it won't be fair and plus Lebron is going to get his share of MVPs before its over and done. And Wade has been shooting a lot of 3s thats why is fg% is down.I'm thinking because of them years of him going to the basket his body might be tired of taking a lot of hits.
That is how it should be and was before the media hacks of today ruined the voting. If you go by today's requirements then Jordan should not have won a single MVP after his first retirement. Since it was clear that Chicago was still one of the best teams in the league even without him.
Then you'd give it to Kobe every single year. Best jersey seller in US, China and Europe, a true global icon, can't beat that.
I like to think of MVP as the player who would be "drafted" most often, if we disbanded all teams and GM's were to repick from the entire pool of players again. For one year. That would be boring though, because for years it would have been nothing but Shaq & Duncan. Now maybe LeBron. Though Kobe is a better player, and nash might still be more important to his own team. EIther way, I'm not a fan of "best player on the team with the best record" formula. Might as well just wait and give the finals MVP both awards. They supposedly made one of his favorite moves illegal, though on the few occasions i've seen him play he still gets away with it. It's the one where he intentionally jumps into a defender who is occupying only his own vertical space, for a trip to the line & or an and-1.
