Hell yeah!!! If he wants to learn to dribble then do it in practice or early in games. Dont let him dribble the ball in third/fourth quarters. His <40% shooting is annoying the hell out of me. What makes it worse is he leads the teams in attempts...
From the Bucks scout: Added Weltman, "It's a different game in Europe, and you don't get to see all the stuff you get to see when you're scouting a college kid and projecting him for the NBA. It's a slower game, he's playing with older guys and all that stuff, so I think he was a difficult guy for us NBA guys to go over there and scout because it's such a different setting over there, and it kind of masks things that make him who he is."
If Jennings had played college ball, Chase prob. would of gone undrafted, because Jennings just like Jarred Bayless, would of dominated the ball, thus limiting Chase's touches and his stats.
So a two a days practice counts as osmosis? Being part of team game plan preparations count as osmosis? I love how you protected yourself from eating crow-first you said Jennings made a bad decision by going into Europe, and now that he's tearing it up you're saying well he was good anyway even when Jennings himself is crediting his trip to Europe as a reason for his success.
What magic "fundamentals" did he lack but he now has? And why could he not learn them in Arizona? just say exactly what it is...shouldn't be too hard, right?
It's not on the poll but: I think that he would have dominated and been a top 2 pick. But, he wouldn't have learned what he did in Europe. I think that the college game would have strengthened the parts of his game that was already strong. In Europe he learned about the business, the travel, the toughness, and so much more that you can not learn in college. Jennings, despite being picked 10th, was much better off going to Europe.
His shooting form did look alot better than HS. How come you can't seem to grasp the fact that he was academically ineligible to play? He got caught doing something funny on the SATs. It wasn't a choice between AZ and Europe, it was a choice between sitting 1 year at AZ, Juco, NBDL, or Europe. And he got drafted so low because he didn't show up at the showcase game for European players. Dumb GMs like Donnie Walsh thought he had an attitude problem and passed. They didn't realize he had the talent to back the attitude.
How much money did he make in Europe? What's the difference between 1st pick and tenth pick salary. Also, where would he rather be, not that the Bucks are a great franchise.
I am thoroughly aware that time travel is not possible right now, hence the hypothetical premised on his passing his SAT's - see one of my earlier posts to DaDakota back on the last page of the thread. Doesn't this undercut the "Europe taught him to be humble" theory?
Allegedly $1 mm, but I would bet money that he ended up receiving was less, in addition to the historical legacy of euro teams not handing out checks that they promise - most of the European deals announced in the summer of 2008 didn't pan out, which is why the "exodus" of players ended up reversing itself before the season even ended. Anyway, according to the rookie salary scale, the 10th pick gets about 5.7 mm over 3 years, the 1st pick gets about 12.3 mm over 3 years.
I don't think a guy like Jennings can be humbled, that's just some crap his marketing team is feeding people. No great player should be humble anyway, humbleness and greatness do not go together in basketball. He fell because he did something dumb, blowing off the showcase game, before the draft. Players fall in the draft all the time, Paul Pierce and Caron Butler fell to 10th in their drafts and they had very successful college careers.
I don't have an opinion on this, but from a logical perspective, you guys are missing the point. *Sam said he made a bad decision going to Europe. *He went to Europe *He is now doing good. You can't just deduce that because he went to Europe, he is now doing good. You don't know what would have happened had Jennings gone to Arizona. Even if there is strong reason to believe that the experience in Europe contributed to his current season, this can't be deemed wholly causal with no alternative frame of reference (ie: going to Arizona.) Don't mistake correlation for causation. I have to let Sam walk.
you really think that's the only reason why he fell? So had he led the wildcats deep-ish into the tournament and had a successful (20 ppg or so) season, he still would have gone 10th? I find that hard to believe. I think big shows on a national stage tend to influence scouts and GM's more than you would like to believe.
You make it seem like Jennings had 2 choices: 1mm now + 5.7mm a year later vs. 12.3mm a year later Really his choices were: 1mm + underarmour deal now + whatever he could 1 year later vs. whatever he could get 1 year later Remember that this is a kid who was poor for most of his life and was presented with a large sum of guaranteed money. It's easy to say that he should wait and maximize his earnings potential, but that's a lot of money to pass up and risk injury or nonperformance in college. If I was his dad I would have told him to take the guaranteed money.
That (his blowing off the showcase game), and his image problems. Blowing off the showcase game really contributed to his image problems and made people think he wasn't serious about the game. I'm not going to speculate on Jennings' college career.
Perhaps the logic is missing a step/ phrase? *Sam said he made a bad decision to go to Europe before he went to Europe *He went to Europe *He is now doing good So the question 'was Europe a bad decision' is now being revisited by Sam in a speculative 'he would've done better by staying' - which is based on fantasy, not logic, nor fact - and ALSO based on a hypothetical 'passing of the SATs' The logic of the thread is also missing a key link: the assumption that Jennings would have 'blown up' at college. This is not necessarily fact is it? There is also the assumption that Jennings would have featured in some way at college to make him a consensus 1 or 2 pick. As a PG, Ty Lawson went to a big school, had a successful college career, yet was pick 18. As a big time scorer, Jermaine Taylor fell to the second round. There's no guarantee that a successful college career equals a top 2 pick - very good, winning, college players often drop for various reasons. Jennings is not exactly 'huge' nor a 'pure point' and these are things that may have been highlighted by a college career and actually caused his stock to drop. The thread is irrelevant - merely Sam trying to save face or demean international basketball somehow - or perhaps stick up for the rule that high schoolers can't jump to the NBA? Agenda thread.
