I'm sorry to say this but we need T-Mac

If we were competing for a lottery pick by all means let T-mac sit out the season or trade him out of here. Since we are thinking long term, how exactly do our players benefit from doing things they are not great at doing.

My first example will be Trevor Ariza:

He is not going to develop great handling skills. No matter how much we force the ball into him, he is not going to develop these skills. He can do this in his off time, during the offseason, or during practice but not during a game.

My second example will be Aaron Brooks:

He isn't going to suddenly develop great passing vision just because he is a starter. He has a scorer's mentality and the best we can hope for is that he learns how to be a lot more aggressive and learns how to defeat the trap.

My point is, we are building towards the future, but T-mac can still help these players out. If we could trade T-mac for some good young talent or a superstar than I would be all for it, but we have yet to be able to do this. I'm not opposed to getting T-mac out of here but I am also not opposed to helping this team out if he is capable of doing so.

I believe to be competitive you have to use every single weapon available. In the long those around you will keep lessons in mind of what worked and what didn't work. T-mac is not going to hinder their development as much as you have made it seem the last couple of months.

 

Because the Rockets only control his rights for the rest of THIS year, at the end of it...Tracy can go wherever he wants to, and the Rockets get ZERO copmensation for him.

You have to look at it like a business, they need to keep getting better, the championship is the goal, if they let him walk versus trading him for other pieces that make us better, it would set the organization back a bit.

This year is irrelevent, TMac is irrelevent....it is what is best for the Rockets that is relevent.....IMO.

DD

 

actually, that is what i tried to convince you of even yesterday. yesterday i told you the reason i have faith in tmac is because i have to put my faith in him. it's clear our rockets team this year without tmac isn't going to go anywhere so i just have to hope tmac can come back and produce.

 

Ok, disregard the All-Star statement because my purpose for using it has been lost in translation. My only point is this again, T-Mac is still more relevant in the elite player status than any other player on this team outside of Yao. I contextualized my statement based on what has been stated on here. He is more relevant because on here both pro and con T-Mac posters have acknowledge him being an elite player. That is where the conversation reference is meant to highlight. He is by some seen as a has been. For others here still an elite player who was severely injured the last two seasons. Both of these groups' opinions support my point, that he is still relevant to that above mentioned conversation especially on this board! Again, if he was not relevant why is so much positive and negative attention devoted to him? Because of his contract? Ok, then he got a max deal extension, which is only given to whom? Elite players. He was usually our most dominate offensive player come playoffs. Which leads to what? During that time he was an elite scorer or playmaker? He's now a scrub. Which implies what? That he was a lot better previously. All of these things have been captured on a lot of these threads over the time that I have been here. I don't care what side you fall on. Because both pro and con T-Mac posters are the reason and proof that he is relevant in some capacity. Again, that was my point. The All-Star reference was used to allow me to avoid this long drawn out post, LOL. And finally, the fact that you are going back and forth with this gamewatcher gives me even more reason to stick to what I initially stated. You yourself have, which I have placed in bold within this response, participated in said discussion. :grin:

And I think that I did acknowledge the fan aspect of being selected as an All-Star. But if you think that being labeled an All-Star is not at some level an useful measure then good for you. I disagree.

Thanks for the lesson on basketball...

Go Rockets!!

 

Experience? Every player on the roster except for the rookies have more playoff experience. A shooter? He's a good midrange shooter, but he's a poor perimeter shooter. The problem is, he tends to fall in love with his perimeter game. To be an effective leader, your followers must respect you. Do you think the other Rockets respect him after last year's drama?

McGrady's track record of leadership hasn't been pretty. The best way to lead is by example. He publicly admitted to quitting in Orlando. Since he joined Houston, he's made empty promises and deflected blame....not exactly the qualities of a good leader.

Disagree. Don't underestimate the interior defensive presence that Mutombo provided.

 

Cant wait for him to be back! Man love em or hate em it will be a game we all would loooooove to watch!

 

That was a different team. This team actually plays the system and needs every player to play tough defense and is more of an up and down team, especially when Scola is on the bench

 

What we need is not TMac, but Tracy McGrady: the team player who is satisfied with playing defense, creating for teammates, and taking 15 quality shots per game.

Unfortunately I just don't think that player exists.

 

People should stop saying they don't want him here after they see how he plays this year.

 

You, sir, get a free super size

 

1. Yes, he would help this team but, that is not the goal, this team is for next year.

2. He would bring experience, but most of his experience is with the ball in his hand and we don't need that going forward.

3. A shooter - he would help there, and as a facilitator.

4. A leader - really? Ok, not gonna touch that one, let's just say I vehemetly disagree.

5. The point is not to squeak into the playoffs it is to win a championship, Tmac would not help THIS YEAR'S team do that.

6. He will walk at the end of his deal - go where he can get a fresh start - this is bad for the Rockets franchise overall trade him while we control the contract.


Anyway......whatever happens, happens.........but I would be shocked if Morey doesn't trade him this season, the only way you do that would be to sign him again in the summer, and I doubt Tmac or the Rockets will be able to work that out.

From the Rockets side, they look like they want to move in a different direction.

And from TMac's side, he can go to a program that is loaded and get that 1st round monkey off his back as a quality role player rather than the go to guy.

DD

 

Don't disagree with your assessment of him as a player. My difference with you is that the expiring contract can get traded but not for much,which may not help the team enough either. I'm afraid you seem to be too optimistic when you say Chase can replace him or that Camby can get the job done.
The poison pill that probably will come attached with his replacement may prove to be a big obstacle.(As a poor fit).

I feel that getting future salary cap room could be useful,but it is overrated,and I'm sure DM realizes that. Nevertheless, we are still likely to get lowballed for any offer, despite the need for most teams to get out of financial trouble. I won't be surprised if the Rockets are forced to let his contract expire unless they get solid return for him. Les will be tempted to do anything. DM will have to convince his boss,not to do so.

 

You are right...we need T-Mac in the same sense we need T-Mac to hire up, increase his trade value as he packs his bags in leave ASAP.

 

I agree indeed. U guys might not agree, that's ok but later u would not even look back what ur saying now if he does comes back n lead this team to more victories and be Championship Contender. I Beleive in him and this is his chance to show to everyone n shut up all the critics!! N u know wat, something tells me that this time it WILL BE DIFFRENT

 

Oh and keep in mind we don't need heartless quitting losers on this team anymore, I thought we went over this 2 seasons ago, but I guess some of you guys just have too much of a craving for T-Mac in order to understand this. I understand since half of you are probably Fantasy Basketball players.

 

The man has had a brutal past few seasons. There's no one who can dispute that. He's had to fight through injuries, and the media and fans of Houston who have been very harsh on the guy. He knows all the criticism about him. The multiple first round exits. All his words that get thrown back in his face and he knows it's his mistakes. To some degree, I think he found the Darfur experience to be one of the few positive things he has done and accomplished that he can't be criticized for.

Do you really think if this guy was a quitter that he'd have worked so hard to come back? Does he need the money?

I am sure he knows all the labels....quitter, just working for a contract year, can't get past the first round. All of it. That the Rockets got past the first round without him doesn't burn inside him?

You think the only thing he has to prove is that he can get back to form? You think that's his only goal? That he's not a has-been?

C'mon, Tracy isn't wise. He's certainly flawed, but the man isn't oblivious all the time.

T-mac isn't selfish. If he was, why is he one of the top point guards in assists??? Why does he try to play through injuries? Why does he cry when he loses playoff series? Has he ever directly criticized a teammate?

Whatever right? I agree, let's not say he's going to be a team player, let's see him come back and what he does.

 

Lets not forget though that in those first few years you have there that t-mac had a useage ffffaarr higher than ariza. Remember van gundy always wanted the ball in t-mac's hands. So you have to factor in how much time each player actually spends handling the ball and how many "hockey" assists each player would get.

Guess I would bet t-mac numbers are far superior in that category.

 

If I we don't get out of the first round, is it on T-Mac?