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#13 Houston @ Central Florida

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Fulgore, Nov 12, 2009.

  1. rikesh316

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    Offense didn't play well today but the defense still stinks. This program will change unless the defensive gets better. The players are young on that side of the ball are young so there is hope however John Skladany's defense still has shown any progress this year. UCF doesn't have any offensive playmakers and they moved the ball with ease.
     
  2. rocketfan83

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    You cant lose to UTEP and UCF and be in the talk of the heisman sorry no chance
     
  3. rikesh316

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    Agree. He has no chance to being even invited to New York now.
     
  4. DonnyMost

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    The defense played great in the first half despite being completely hung out to dry by the offense.

    The defense has shown progress, but you can't expect a young defense that loses 4 starters to be all world.

    If you want UH to all the sudden land 4-5 star defensive recruits, then sorry, that is going to take time. It is easier to make mediocre offensive recruits into all conference players... but you can't really scheme up a lack of defensive size/speed/talent.
     
  5. VesceySux

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    1) UH has lost two games now and will likely drop out of the rankings. Not being ranked = less coverage (unless you're Notre Dame. :rolleyes: ).
    2) The sports media is extremely fickle.

    Yeah, he's out of the race now.

    I seriously hope you don't actually think UH is even in the same zip code as Notre Dame in the sports media's eyes. Sadly, ND will ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt, regardless of record or performance.
     
  6. Smokey

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    Nail in the Heisman talk coffin.

    The chance of an invite went from slim to none.
     
  7. DonnyMost

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    I guess he can stick it in his pipe and smoke it. :D
     
  8. ubigred

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    All sad , but true.
     
  9. rikesh316

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    I don't expect them to be all world. If they were even average, UH could be undeafted right now. Losing 4 starters to graduation is not a lot in college football. You don't need 4 or 5 star recruits to have a good defense. I agree it will take time but I like to see at least some progress. The front four gets zero pressure. Graham, Caveness, Blackmon, and Brinkley all will be gone next year but Nicholson could be back if he gets medical redshirt.
     
  10. DonnyMost

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    1) They lost 4 starters to injury this year alone, not graduation
    2) Yes, you do need good athletes to be good at defense (especially when you run a quick strike offense that does not rely on ball control)
    3) Nicholson should get a 6th year, but I'm definitely not holding my breath.
     
  11. Artesticles

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    DonnyMost, did you compare Keenum's numbers vs UCF to McCoy's numbers to them yet? Quick summary: McCoy had more passing yards despite 10+ less passing attempts. Bye Heisman.

    Not surprised at all by this loss. UCF is a good team. Still, losses @ UTEP and @ UCF isn't really top 25 material.
     
  12. Baseballa

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    I'm about as big of a McCoy homer as there is, but I don't know if I'd go down this road. One can easily point out stats vs. Tech and Oklahoma State in Keenum's favor.

    Although, a heisman winner just cannot lose to a school like UCF or UTEP.
     
  13. T-Yao

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    Well i just started watching football so i dont really know all these stuff...but case is not the WHOLE reason they lost the games...i mean, our defense screws up and he gets the blame? If so, i think that's pathetic, and i feel so bad for Case; next season we need a better Defesnse
     
  14. DonnyMost

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    Uh, yeah dude. Congrats?

    I guess you must have little wang syndrome from the Tech and OSU games, or something.
     
  15. Major Malcontent

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    I was out of town and missed the game, very sad to hear.

    we need help from the likes of Marshall or Tulane now.

    Still love my Coogs
     
  16. DonnyMost

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    Basically here's some need-to-know facts about this football team.

    1) We run the ball a healthy amount of times (typically a 60-40 split pass-run), so it isn't all throwing. Most "traditional" offenses throw the ball around 40% and run about 60% of the time. So our QB numbers aren't artificially inflated by an unbalanced system like Hawaii, Tech, etc (who typically run the ball 20% and pass 80%)

    2) We typically run about 10-20% more plays in the average season than your "traditional" offenses because our O generates so many first downs. This helps give our QB those nice stats. But once again, the attempts he is getting are generated not by the system, but by his ability to create first downs and also by how quickly he generates those yards. Which leads me to...

    3) The offense is fast paced and no-huddle, it keeps the defenses guessing and gets them tired and exploits mismatches. Our QB is a field general who often runs the show with very little instruction from the sideline. Our QB is counted on to be able to read and react very quickly and improvise all the time.

    4) Our defense often suffers because our offense scores so quickly. Not an excuse, but it definitely doesn't help. Certainly we have personnel issues that are the #1 factor in the suckage, but when they aren't given adequate rest, it is lights out. Give us some meat on the line and we're a totally different team. Unfortunately those kids just don't go to non-BCS schools.

    5) For some reason, we have produced an amazingly solid OL for years. Part of it is because Kolb and now Keenum were so great in pocket awareness, and Keenum is about as elusive as any QB in the nation. They take care of the ball very well, too.

    6) We don't go vertical very often. Mostly due to Keenum's arm. Kolb had a cannon, and went deep at least 3-4 times a game. Keenum we're lucky if we see 1 or 2 deep throws. It is a luxury to have skill players who can make short passes into long gainers though. This is about the only *legit* knock on Keenum's game. If he could put the ball 30 yards downfield 3-4 times a game he'd be a day 1 draft pick.
     
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  17. T-Yao

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    What do you mean when you say defense suffer because offense scores too fast? And actually, i think sometimes our players can't catch...i mean (from the TV view) it looked like a really nice point blank pass that could be easily catch, but of course i dont play football).
     
  18. J.R.

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    Basically as it sounds. The defense doesnt get much rest because of a quick scoring offense. They score fast meaning the defense has to come back out on the field.
     
  19. DreamRoxCoogFan

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    what he was getting at is that if the offense scores really quickly, it means that the defense spends more time on the field (ie we get the opponent to punt the ball after they've been driving the ball downfield for 3 minutes. After the punt, we score in 1:30. Their team gets the ball back and our defense gets back on the field. So while the score may be 7-0 our favor at that point, our defense is wearing down because they barely got any rest on the sideline during the offense's quick score.)
     
  20. T-Yao

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    Ohhhhhhh i get it, thanks! but that's no excuse :mad:
     

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