1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Hayes - a big surprise so far

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by smuduffy, Nov 3, 2009.

Tags:
  1. Naismith

    Naismith Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    207
    Likes Received:
    46
    man,man,man,MAN,what a MAN
     
  2. Hayesfan

    Hayesfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2006
    Messages:
    10,906
    Likes Received:
    371
    Honestly, I figured he would have to avg more points this season. Mainly because if he didn't coach wouldn't be able to leave him on the floor. They were very concerned about "where will the points come from" before the season started. And they NEED him on the floor defensively.

    I am more excited about him getting a chance to show how he can pass than the scoring or the steals. We need him to be a good passer out of the top of the post and so far it's working pretty well.

    He had a bad stretch there for about three possessions in the second half last night, but overall he's done fairly well at getting the ball to people where they can make a play when we he's initiated the offense.

    The guys are doing very well at cutting off of him and each other too, making those passes even more important.
     
  3. moestavern19

    moestavern19 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 1999
    Messages:
    39,003
    Likes Received:
    3,641
    Averaging 2.5 steals per game right now.

    Got to love those extra possessions created by the Chuckernaut's lightning quick hands.
     
  4. BackNthDay

    BackNthDay Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2006
    Messages:
    3,570
    Likes Received:
    469
    I also Chuck and apology. I didn't feel he could contend in the post in the west. The 2 teams that concern me are the Blazers (Aldridge) Lakers with Gasol going against Chuck.

    There isn't another big man in the west who can overwhelm Chuck. Plus, he may not block shots but you are automatically going to get a charge trying to drive against him.
     
  5. rockets934life

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2007
    Messages:
    15,312
    Likes Received:
    249
    Yea but did he ever looks this good??!! lol

    Seriously his best year was 06-07 and just with my human eyes never saw him cut and slash so well along with a freaking post move hook shot he has shown this season. JVG maximized Chuck's abilities to perfection but I believe Adelman is expanding them.
     
  6. charlieaustin

    charlieaustin Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2009
    Messages:
    1,601
    Likes Received:
    1,299
    This brings up a good question. Can Chuck make the all defensive team considering he will have a high number of steals this year? I would bet he will lead the league for charges taken by a center (does anyone keep that stat? maybe Morey) and there is almost no way to measure how well he stays in front of his man and helps out. Obviously the main defensive stat for a center is blocks per game so I think Chuck's style of defense for a center would confuse the voters. I think we (Clutchfans) would have him on the all defensive team but the voters won't even consider him because of his size.
     
  7. Pete Chilcutt

    Pete Chilcutt Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2009
    Messages:
    5,535
    Likes Received:
    280
    I just posted about Chuck Hayes being the biggest suprise of the season not
    because of his defense because that is always solid but his offense. He has
    confidence that he can contribute offensively, creating his own shots, making hook shots, this guy is amazing, I admire Chuck Hayes, he is a huge part of our sucess!
     
  8. Hayesfan

    Hayesfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2006
    Messages:
    10,906
    Likes Received:
    371

    Jason was talking about this with Adam Wexler last week... he wants to start a grassroots movement to get Chuck acknowledged on the all defensive team. The main thing would be to get the main-stream media to talk about his defense.. which is difficult to do when they aren't exposed to as many of our games.
     
  9. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 1999
    Messages:
    37,264
    Likes Received:
    13,730
    Pretty much the prime reason I enjoy the Rockets so much this year is Hayes. Remember last year during that CRAP start? When we had a new lineup each night? Nobody played consistently. Even Scola was starting to lose enthusiasm. Not Hayes. Chuck came and played the same every single night. LIKE A MAN.
     
  10. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2002
    Messages:
    57,774
    Likes Received:
    41,189
    Chuck's only 26 years old. Doesn't seem like that's possible, but he is. The guy's still growing his game.
     
  11. pmac

    pmac Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2007
    Messages:
    8,397
    Likes Received:
    3,258
    I wouldn't say Brooks is the key to his success. Chuck has improved his offensive game a great deal. Layups he used to miss are going in with regularity now. Also, the paint is less clogged without Yao so he doesn't have to worry about weakside shotblocking.
     
  12. htown11

    htown11 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2009
    Messages:
    295
    Likes Received:
    7
    Love watching him play, he just works hard and you can tell he has worked on many different areas of his game in the off season. That left handed hook haha that actually looked good.
     
  13. LCII

    LCII Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2006
    Messages:
    8,609
    Likes Received:
    395
    Age doesnt matter when it comes to seniority in a team or any organization. It's the position and responsibilites you hold. Chuck's always had offensive game (see college), but he never was able to translate it to the NBA level. I think the fact he was made co-captain and being asked to do more by the coaching staff have contributed to his offensive 'explosion' more than working on his game could've.
     
  14. heyangw

    heyangw Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2009
    Messages:
    181
    Likes Received:
    3
    He is not a surprise to me.
    His defense is always the best in the League.
    His ball IQ is always good.
    When he takes more role in the offensive side, he will also do a better job for sure.

     
  15. HPD

    HPD Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2009
    Messages:
    1,287
    Likes Received:
    19
    only if Chuck Hayes was 3-4 inches taller........ he would get more respect nationally...


    he has quick hands...and crap load of steals...
     
  16. YallMean

    YallMean Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2003
    Messages:
    14,284
    Likes Received:
    3,815
    Chuck is deceptively slow, which means he's quick.
    Opponents tend to sleep on him, when they do, he can make them pay.
    But, Chuck's offensive skill is still limited ...
     
  17. CheezeyBoy22

    CheezeyBoy22 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2005
    Messages:
    6,139
    Likes Received:
    2,521
    Hope that Wex has Jason on more often. I sent him a message on facebook about that. Jason brings a different element to us as Rockets fans. I think he's getting better and better his role with the Rockets.
     
  18. leungevity

    leungevity Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    12
    Chuck has just been amazing. I'm definitely enjoying watching Chuck on offense right now. It's been very surprising for me.
     
  19. Shroopy2

    Shroopy2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2003
    Messages:
    16,211
    Likes Received:
    1,965
    Everyone always mentions how Landry can improve he's 26, how Brooks can emerge, Dorsey has room to get better. Even Pops Mensah Bonsu gets talked in that way. But Chuck Hayes is never mentioned. Why does he have to be considered a fixed product? He has a permanent unfixable height disadvantage, but he certainly has room to improve on things himself. Chuck can polish up his touch around the basket, free throw shooting, conditioning, and it have immediate results just the same.
     
  20. devilsdandruff

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2009
    Messages:
    2,366
    Likes Received:
    26
    suprised? nope.
    we all knew what type of player chuck is and what he can do for the team.
    he's playing 27 mins comparing to last year's 12 mpg.
    it is expected that his stat sheet will look alot better.
     

Share This Page