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Undrafted players that will make a roster

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  1. SooneRockStro

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    Obviously Aaron McGhee comes to mind as one who has a real shot at making a roster. He has more game than Ryan Humphrey and Humphrey made the first round. Some of the players drafted in from of him are nowhere near as good as him. Anyway, who are some of the guys the Rockets might invite to training camp. I seriously doubt we'd give McGhee a look since we have so many forwards. Unless he is coming in as a 3 that is. We don't have too many good ones of those.
     
  2. hardeji

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    Yeah, I was shocked McGhee didn't get into the 2nd round. I watched the guy play and he's a dominator.

    His problem is that he's a "tweener".... to small to be taken seriously as a 4, but probably not quick enough to play the 3. His shooting ability is pretty much consigned to < 15'.

    With that said, look at Nahara, another OU talent. He's undersized, but a great role player.
     
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    I keep seeing people say he's a tweener, but he's 6'8! And he can shoot from much farther than 15 feet..... I definitely see him being a 4 in the league, no way a 3.......
     
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    Andy Ellis. He deserves to make an NBA roster. Think of someone who can shoot like Bullard but has much more athleticism and inside game. Mavs give Ellis contract
     
  5. hardeji

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    MDUKE..... How much Big 12 ball have you watched????

    McGhee played down low and was LISTED as 6'8", but was, in reality, just north of 6'6".

    Sampson's scheme was pretty darn simple and pretty darn effective......... Hollis Price brings ball down and either drives or shoots..... McGhee rebounds and goes back up with shot. I'd safely bet you that 70%+ of McGhees shots were within 8' of the basket. FACT: McGhee was just 9 of 34 from 3 pt range ALL SEASON (26%). He only shot 43% from the field all year and averaged around 6.5 rebby/game.

    OR, Price passes to Quannis White (or Ebi Ere) and they pass back to Price if there's not an open 3.

    McGhee is the MAN...... with that said, Jabahri Brown and Selvey are outstanding post guys....also with limited roles.

    Sampson recruits outstanding players and will be in the final 4 again soon. Personally, I think he and Quin Snyder (Missouri) are the best 2 young college coaches in the nation.
     
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    How much Big 12 have you watched???

    Quannas White was the PG, not Hollis Price. Get your facts straight.
     
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    Who said Price was the point guard?

    Price was their first option and all plays went through Price.

    Please check the shot-count (Price attempted nearly 3x more shots than White; plus average just a couple of assists per game less than White).

    Price also played an average of 8 minutes more per game than White, and was also their bonafide press-breaker and ball-handler when crunch time came.

    Therefore, my "facts" stand as stated.
     
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    Does anyone know how tall Teddy Dupay is? I know he has NBA range, but I feel like he would get abused on the defensive end.
     
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    1. White brought it down more than Price.
    2. your "shot-count" has nothing to do with it, of course Price shot more than white, he's a scorer.
    3. McGhee was not 6'6, he measured over 6'7 at Chicago (6'7 1/2 i think).
    4. Go Sooners ;)
     
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    Are you serious, 6'8"? Then why did every nba team have him as "undersized"? Also, sure, white was the pg, but all i said was that price was 1st option. yeah, i watched a game, and it was price as often as white bringing the ball down (and for good reason, price should be 3rd team all-american this year coming out of the blocks).

    Back to McGhee.... he's a stud, i watched him play 5x this year on the tube (couldn't get to the lawrence game ;-)
    The guy otta stick somewhere as a free agent though, don't you think? Also, whatta think of the big dude at Colorado? Some jerk, huh? Harrison, i think.
     
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    What about Lee Benson, after he has turned his life around and with he stats he put up, shouuldt he deserve a roster spot. He might have been too old to waste a first or early second rounder on, but i would have taken him with a mid to late second rounder. Hemay be 29, bt why not sig him as a free agent?
     
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    Benson's a "nice" Kansas kid (goes to Brown Mackie Juco... BM as we call it, is actually a VoTech mainly for secretarial people, but they've got a good basketball team).

    I've never seen a clip of him, but hear he's incredible. 2 or 3 scouts say he'll be snapped-up in the free agency market. From what I've read, he is one of the few that has literally turned his life around.

    Look for he and McGhee of OU to be in some uniform this fall. Recker would make someone a nice 2, but he's a little slow. Probably bound to play overseas. Same with Boshee (Kansas).
     
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    McGhee has been invited to play for the Warriors and Mavs in the summer league.... He has a very good shot at making the warriors as they have a roster spot open.
     
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    official measurments:
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    weight: 255
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    I thought Pedrag Savovic had a good chance to land as the # 37 pick and a Rocket. From everything I read, his value went up after workouts, along with Tito Maddox. Savovic as 26 is mature and grounded. I'm guessing his age did him in.....and the Rockets went with the "best athlete available" - Tito Maddox, his character and instability being secondhand considerations. Perhaps he'll thrive in a Rocket environment, if not, "adios, and don't let the door hit ya' in the butt on your way out".

    McGhee in another who should get some consideration. I fully expect him to be in uniform somewhere by October.
     
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    Can someone give Maddox's measurements?
     
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    wo shoes : 6-3
    with shoes: 6-4 & 1/4
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    This article may add some clarity, but still prompts more questions.


    Friday, June 28
    Updated: Friday, June 28, 2:25 PM ET

    Draft blew by these college, prep prospects
    By Andy Katz
    ESPN.com

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    The cameras weren't on Predrag Savovic. They didn't catch him trying to hide his disappointment for his adopted home in Hawaii, his people back in Yugoslavia and his family and friends who were sitting with him in the stands at the Theatre at Madison Square Garden.


    Hawaii's Predrag Savovic, right, was left sitting in the Garden stands.
    Savovic wasn't the story, but he thought he should have been. This was supposed to be his night, the night all his hard work paid off from playing hoops in Yugoslavia, to attending UAB, to transferring to Hawaii and leading the Rainbow Warriors to two of the most successful seasons in school history.

    But the back-to-back NCAA berths and WAC titles didn't matter much Wednesday night, not when he was snubbed during the NBA draft and not selected despite working out for 15 teams and being considered a lock for the second round as well as a borderline first-round pick.

    Instead, Savovic became the most notable name who wasn't drafted. And, even though he's 26, he's a European -- the latest "it" place to find players in the draft.

    "I don't know what happened," Savovic said Thursday in New York while trying to make sense of the draft and decide on his next move. "I was stunned. I was disappointed, especially seeing all the people in front of me going. Everyone I have talked to in Yugoslavia and Hawaii cannot believe this."

    Savovic said once the draft moved past No. 20 he started to get his hopes up, assuming he would be chosen in the latter part of the first round. When he wasn't selected by Sacramento to close the first, he just figured he would go in the second.

    "But then they called the last pick and it was another name," Savovic said. "But I had a great time being here, no regrets. I skipped my graduation and prom and skipped many things in my life. I said, 'Let's take a chance on this.' "

    Savovic and his agent, Marc Cornstein, fear that he was hurt by a rumor that said he had a guaranteed contract in Europe, more than the nearly $400,000 he could receive as a second-round pick in the draft. "That's not true at all," Savovic said.

    "It's not fun expect to be drafted and hear everyone else's name called," Cornstein said. "He has been working out in New York City the last two months and knew there was a likely chance he could go in the first round and wanted to be a part of this. He earned that."

    The consensus among NBA teams was that Savovic could have gone to Detroit, Phoenix, Denver, New Jersey, the Lakers or the Kings near the bottom of the first round. But everyone passed on him and then the unthinkable happened for Savovic -- he was shut out in the second round, too.

    “ It's not fun expect to be drafted and hear everyone else's name called. He (Savovic) has been working out in New York City the last two months and knew there was a likely chance he could go in the first round and wanted to be a part of this. He earned that. ”
    — Marc Cornstein

    "It made no sense," said Hawaii coach Riley Wallace, who made the trip to sit with Savovic in the stands. "The NBA teams are taking players sight unseen. But here's a senior who was a class act, the academic all-American, well conditioned and an excellent shooter and he doesn't get drafted."

    And now Savovic has a tough decision. Cornstein said nearly half the teams in the league called Thursday and were interested in getting him on a summer league team in the next few weeks. But Savovic also received a standing offer once he wasn't drafted Thursday from a European team that is guaranteed money, a deal that Cornstein said is unrelated to the rumors prior to the draft. But this is an offer that won't last long.

    "If he goes international and has a great year next year, then he could impress NBA teams to come over as a free agent in a few years," Cornstein said.

    Or he could try his luck this summer before he's into his late 20s. "I have to make a decision in a few days," Savovic said.

    The developmental league is out of the question for Savovic. He'll either make a go of it in training camp or Europe. And he's not alone in this quandary. The same issue could face the other 10 players who have the best chance to make a roster even though they weren't drafted.

    Fordham sophomore point Smush Parker, probably the second biggest whiff on draft night, will likely have plenty of offers for summer league teams. So, to, will junior college players Kei Madison and Lee Benson, Arkansas point Jannero Pargo, St. Bonaventure guard J.R. Bremer, Oregon center Chris Christoffersen, Iowa's Luke Recker and Reggie Evans, Temple center Kevin Lyde and Oklahoma forward and Portsmouth Invitational MVP Aaron McGhee.

    But why were these players -- and a collection of other prominent names -- snubbed on draft night? As harsh as it sounds, the consensus from NBA teams was the following on why these players weren't drafted:
    WHY THESE PROSPECTS DIDN'T GET DRAFTED
    Name Yr. Pos. School Comment
    Maurice Baker Sr. G Oklahoma State No position, not a point and too small to be a "2."
    Lubos Barton Sr. F Valparaiso Lacked a true position and had defensive issues.
    Lee Benson Fr. F Brown Mackie College (Kan.) Age (28) and raw skills hurt his chances.
    J.R. Bremer Sr. G St. Bonaventure Not a true point guard.
    Brian Brown Sr. G Ohio State Not quick enough to break a player down or a true point.
    Chris Christoffersen Sr. C Oregon Too much of a project, hands weren't sound the upside is questionable.
    DeAngelo Collins Sr. F Inglewood (Calif.) HS Too much baggage and not worth the trouble.
    Lenny Cooke Sr. G Northern Valley Regional HS (Old Tappan, N.J.) Simply not good enough yet to be drafted.
    Andy Ellis Sr. F Texas Tech Catch-and-shoot forward without a true NBA skill.
    Reggie Evans Sr. F Iowa Too undersized and not good enough offensively.
    Clarence Gilbert Sr. G Missouri Not a point guard.
    Lynn Greer Sr. G Temple Not quick enough at the position and had no ability to defend at this level.
    Anthony Grundy Sr. G N.C. State Not a true point guard.
    Adam Harrington Jr. G Auburn Not playing in Chicago and limited workouts gave him an incomplete.
    Udonis Haslem Sr. F Florida Undersized to be a power player in the league.
    Kevin Lyde Sr. C Temple His injuries and the lack of athleticism scared off teams.
    Kei Madison So. F Okaloosa-Walton (Fla.) JC One of the bigger shockers that he went undrafted.
    Aaron McGhee Sr. F Oklahoma All lefthanded and considered too small.
    Elvin Mims Sr. F Southern Mississippi A project but could resurface as a free agent.
    Byron Mouton Sr. F Maryland No true position in the league.
    Marvin O'Connor Sr. G St. Joseph's Not a point and too small to be an NBA two-guard.
    Jannero Pargo Sr. G Arkansas Has the upside and may get into a camp as a free agent, but just got squeezed out of the second round.
    Smush Parker So. G Fordham No one is quite sure why he wasn't selected in the second round.
    Luke Recker Sr. F Iowa Not making a ton of shots in Chicago hurt his stock.
    Rolan Roberts Sr. F Southern Illinois No true position.
    Brooks Sales Sr. C Villanova Not skilled enough and didn't do one thing very well.
    Preston Shumpert Sr. F Syracuse Too soft, too thin and not a good defender.
    Jobey Thomas Sr. G Charlotte Not a true point guard and not consistent enough as a shooter.
    George Williams Jr. G Houston Simply not good enough.
    Kelly Wise Sr. F Memphis Injuries slowed his progress and pushed him out of the draft but he could resurface in the fall.


    Andy Katz is a senior writer at ESPN.com. Katz covers the NBA draft for ESPN.com and ESPN.
     

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