ClutchFans Game Thread: Mavericks @ Rockets 10/23/2009 (PRESEASON)

It seemed like the starters had a rough night all around tonight. Aaron had a terrible game.. he just couldn't get anything going. The defensive rotations were just horrible and normally that isn't so when Chuck is on the court. It didn't help that they both got their fourth foul early in the third quarter.

I don't think having him on the court would have made much difference at that point.

Hopefully they will have a couple of good practices and get back into the flow with one another... and Scola will hopefully be back.

I looked for the commercial but couldn't find it. I am sure someone will upload it.. it's a money for scraps commercial I think.

 

Brooks has no idea how to get Yao the ball. What makes you think he is better suited? Lowry is a far better PG, better defender and always plays hard, only if he can shoot better.

 

Thanks Hayesfan, I'm ready for Scola to return to, but at least it looks like Landry is trying to step up his game and score some points and help the team.

 

I'll never understand why our fans try to pit our players against one another.

Tracy vs. Yao
Brooks vs. Lowry
Pops vs. Dorsey
Scola vs. Landry

All of these players are on our team. Some nights one is better, some nights the other. Play them as the matchups dictate and who is hot.

 

Because we will have to make a decision with them eventually. They are not all Rockets for life. There is no way we have AB and KLowry here together next year, so we need to make a decision for and now and for the future with some of these guys...

If we had a team like the Celtics, or the Lakers, I would agree with you. Fact is, we are in development.

 

DD, You are spinning thins as usual.

No matter how many TOs Lowry had, a 3 to 1 asst/TO ratio can never be called lousy.

On the other hand, Brooks is not just only pretty bad in his shooting, he was horrible in about everything.

 

You have a short memory. It was quite obvious in last year's playoffs that Brooks played better without Yao. They don't fit together.

 

Dude...Dude...


Kyle Lowry has shown that his shot does not always have to be ON, for him to be effective.

Aaron Brooks is a superior 3-point shooter.

Kyle Lowry is the superior defender, distributor, and attacker, and the stats are all there to back that up.

He had 3 turnovers, and 9 assists. That is FANTASTIC.

 

Agreed. DD does not have a clue.

Lowry is WAY MORE EFFECTIVE WITH YAO.


DM has said as much.


Yao is THE BEST player in the league when the other team is in the penalty. Guess who draws the most fouls per shot in the NBA? Lowry fits Yao like a glove, and Aaron Brooks has ALWAYS thrived without him...

 

Agreed. I guarantee you that if this was a regular season game, Brooks would have been in the lineup in the waning minutes of a tight game, regardless of how he had played earlier. As much as I love Lowry, Brooks' game is much more suitable (as a scorer) in that type of situation.

Overall, no biggie, not a real game. Learn from it.

 

Relatively. His turnovers were key turnovers in the waning moments of the game.
Played well but did not win this for us.

 

Exactly.

Lowry played ok, but at the end of games you need someone who is a triple threat with the ball in his hands, and that is not Lowry, his shot is just not good enough.

Some people want Lowry to start, he is not that far behind Brooks but he is behind him, and for a reason.

My thoughts on last night is that we should have had Lowry and Brooks in there finishing the game, that would have been much more effective....maybe Adelman wanted to give Lowry the ball and see what he could do....let's say the results were inconclusive.....because late, the offense was a mess....lots and lots of turnovers at inopportune times.

AND BTW - I thought Brooks was not very good, but the shots he took were wide open, he just missed them. Lowry had a better game.....no doubt.

DD

 

Dakota - I actually think the guy who makes this difficult is McGrady, not Yao. Lowry fits well with Yao, while Brooks doesn't. But I can see a Lowry and Tracy pairing be a complete disaster, whereas Brooks and Tracy have looked good together in the past.

Is there any precedent to a pg in his 5th year going from no outside shot whatsoever to developing a consistent outside game?

 

Who's jumping the gun? I'm just saying Lowry played well. Not perfect, but he did enough during the game to justifying getting the minutes at the end. Brooks did not. Not saying Lowry should be starting or anything. But sometimes, he'll be the better option down the stretch.

As for why Brooks and Lowry did not share the court at the end, I think the main reason is defensive rebounding. Rockets were struggling on the defensive glass throughout the second half, and I think Adelman wanted bigger perimeter players on the floor to help out.

 

I thought the game was a step backwards in preparing for the season; they played hard but not well. Interior defense was missing and rebounding was woeful. Shooting brought back bad memories. Brooks continues to be extremely inconsistent. Has he ever put two good games together? Ariza continues to look like he is trying to play a role that does not fit him. Landry stepped up and looked solid, but, overall, the team played like a group of role players without a leader which is what they are. This is the excellent supporting cast that a healthy Yao and TMac never had. It is frustrating that after forever the Rockets FINALLY surround our stars with talent and they are both gone.

 

I would not have taken Lowry out...I would have inserted Brooks....and the Mavs were small as well.

I think you need two options at the end of games....even with a superstar...and we only had one...that is easy to guard for the opponent.

DD

 

Interesting, I can see your point.

Regarding PG's that learned to shoot, what about Jason Kidd?

But, I don't think many players get that much better as a shooter, it seems that shooting is something you either have, or don't have....you can improve it, but rarely do you see a bad or average shooter get good....

This is why I have always contended that it is easier to teach a good offensive player to play adequate defense, than it is to teach a good defender how to play adequate offense.

DD

 

Lowry is heading into his 4th year. I made this post a while back. It maybe doesn't answer your question fully, but does support my belief that young guards should be expected to improve their shooting over time.

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Durv,

I think you can almost toss out their rookie years.....to me it would be more interesting to see how many players inmproved AFTER year 3......

That to me is more telling of improvement in shooting, not just more opportunity and time on the court, as well as comfort level.

DD

 

.. and you base your thesis on what. It is not a sin to have two young point guards who continue to improve, and push one another to the starting job knote.