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Dictator Chavez steals second Hilton hotel in Venezuela

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Oct 15, 2009.

  1. juicystream

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    [rquoter]a person exercising absolute power, esp. a ruler who has absolute, unrestricted control in a government without hereditary succession.[/rquoter]

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dictator

    Dictators have often been "elected".
     
  2. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    But would it be OK to call Yao Ming a point forward? ;)
     
  3. glynch

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    He is not going in "the complete opposite extreme" which is what makes him so troubling to the elite. See Stalin and Mao etc for the opposite.

    Chavez is aiming for something like Sweden. "21rst century socialism".

    One of the great tactics of the wealthy elites world wide is to paint the choices as extreme free market capitalism with its few big winners and lots of losers versus Stalinist Russia. This tactic is extremely efffective. Witness the often times toothless tea baggers. WE also see it with the somewhat secure working folks on this bbs ,who have deficient vacation and pension packages, who have huge payments on their student loans or for their kids college, and whose health care costs are going up faster than inflation and their pay checks.
     
  4. Shovel Face

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    So Liberals are not Socialists (don't dare use that word)... just "21st Century Socialists".

    Thanks for the clarification.
     
  5. Deckard

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    glynch, what does this have to do with Chavez putting opposition media out of business, or taking property from businesses simply because he doesn't like them, or they don't like him? Is that the Swedish government? I've been to Sweden a couple of times, but I must have missed it.
     
  6. glynch

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    Shovel face, is that what happened to you? A Truamatic brain injury?

    Hey I'm, tolerant so I'll try to explain. There was a socialist movement which tried to take power democratically for the sake of the majority. The socialists in Russia seized power undemocratically. There was a split in the socialist movement with the Russians being considered "communists" by the socialists in most other countries. So then you had communists and socialists. But the communists wanted to use the word "socialist" since it was very popular sort of like "democratic" is a good word now. Capitalists or conservatives were happy to equate communist with socialist and as we see with right wingers like yourself liberals as communists as socialists. Therefore you consider Obama to be a socialist.

    It is I suppose remotely possible that you see the world according to your own interest as a wealthy capitalist, but you are probably a working class guy, albeit with a degree or two who has been brainwashed to vote for politicians that keep you from having lengthy vacations, secure pensions and healthcare etc. but at least you feel superior to those on welfare or making minimum wage and this is some comfort.

    In your case you do have at least the shovel to the face to explain your confusion.
     
  7. glynch

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    No it isn't.

    I'm not sure Chavez takes property just because he doesn't like them and I'm not sure you have proved that. WRT to the press, it gets complicated when you have the media calling for and assiting in the plotting an armed coup against the government as much of it did.

    Perhaps someone more up on the law could advise us as to what the US government could do i here if we had an armed coup which was unsuccessful, was backed my certain media institutions and they essentially continued to do urge a coup after it failed.. Of course to make it more analogous we have the owners of the coup promoting media involved with agents of a foreign government such as the media owners did in Venezuela.
     
  8. Deckard

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    Sorry, but it may take me some time to decipher your response.
     
  9. Oski2005

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    What about threatening to shut down Globovision because they reported an earthquake before the Government did?

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0512/p07s01-woam.html
     
  10. glynch

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    duplicate.
     
    #70 glynch, Oct 19, 2009
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  11. Oski2005

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    Why would they start now?

     
  12. Oski2005

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    The statistics used come from the Chavez run government, that's like using a study from the Oil companies as proof that man isn't causing global climate change.
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    Well, earlier(a year or so ago) I heard a report on NPR, and they mentioned the standard of living going by something like 33% as a whole in Ven. And way higher percentages amongst the impoverished. I don't have a link, or remember the exact numbers.

    Burt given the amount of spending done on the poor it would make sense.
     
  14. Air Langhi

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    At least he beats the dictators who keeps the money and lets his people starve.
     
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    I'll say it once again.

    Chavez is Huey Long reincarnate.
     
  16. glynch

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    There is indeed some resemblance. Hugo is too much in the line of the cult of the individual and I fear that he is not building enough of a movement to keep working for the people after he is gone. Huey Long beats Dubya or at the mimimum it is hard to pick who is best. For the poor and lower middle class I would probably go with with Huey.

    Hey I wish Hugo was more like Olof Palme a past famous leader of Sweden. Of course Hugo is not contending with conservatives who believe in democracy and who have attempted armed overthrow of the government and engaged in massive economic sabotage in collusion with a foreign power i.e, the US.
     
  17. Deckard

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    glynch, I certainly wish he was like Olof Palme as well. If he was, you wouldn't hear a peep out of me, but he's not. What bugs the heck out of me is that you excuse any anti-democratic/cult of personality/do what the heck I want because, by golly, I'm The Dude! thing Chavez decides is groovy. Sorry, but I try to be consistent with my belief in democracy. I'm not going to give Chavez a pass just because he has done a lot for the lower classes of Venezuela. Sure, someone needed to, but not a jumped up Castro wannabe.
     
  18. AroundTheWorld

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    Your little rant there doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Just because someone was initially elected does not mean they cannot be a dictator. Hitler was actually initally elected. Then he went ahead and step by step removed all checks and balances and installed a dictatorial regime. I am not saying Chavez is that bad, but he is certainly cementing his power by removing democratic barriers to someone becoming an absolute ruler.
     
  19. AroundTheWorld

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    glynch, let me say this with all due respect: You are a completely clueless dreamer.

    I have been to Sweden many times. I have also been to Venezuela (when 1 million people were protesting against Chavez at the time). What Chavez is doing in Venezuela has nothing to do with Sweden. Absolutely nothing. Last time I checked, they weren't shutting down TV stations, newspapers and other media in Sweden to ensure that criticism against the current government gets muted. They also didn't go and expropriate hotels and large corporations. They also don't go around driving their intellectual elite out of the country.

    You have absolutely no clue. I don't doubt your good intentions one second, but you just don't understand.
     
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  20. Oski2005

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    Why is everybody changing their names? I can't keep up with you guys. I still forget that shishir chang is rocketsjudoka.
     

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