I make $175.00 US weekly if that is what you are saying. We do not take up collections in our church. People give money and we use it to help people. Jesus said that every choice depended upon a person's character. Are you honest, loyal and loving? Your character will determine your choice in every circumstance you listed. Agreed I don't think you are on any different path, you are in a crowd of people who think they don't believe like everyone else. I think a person's morals determine one's view of God. What are you morals?
Honest, loyal and loving? Definitely. And since we are on Clutchfans, I defenitely have loyalty to my Rockets. Id like you to define morals so I can explain to you what I believe.
Morals means right and wrong Praiseworthy choice or Blameworthy choice Loyalty to the Rockets is awesome. I'm with you there.
The difference between right and wrong? I call that common sense instead of morals, you should know the difference between right and wrong. You dont need religion to tell you that, my parents actually taught me the difference, I am not gonna go steal, rape, kill someone just because I dont use religion, my common sense tells me whats wrong or not. These morals are known as laws to me, laws are not meant to break, the American founding fathers all werent religious (most were Deists, Agnostic and Thomas Jefferson has long been thought to have been Atheist), but these guys all pretty much input the difference between right and wrong in the Bill of Rights.
The bible isn't setting out the creation story as fact. I mentioned above that it's a poem written in a recognized style and meter that was present at the time. You are the one claiming that Christians act like it's a fact. Not all Christians do. As I said, I'm a Christian, and at the Churches I've been to, the pastor said specifically not to argue with science, that the bible isn't a history or science text book. That isn't what it's about. I'm a christian but I don't believe what you claim that Christians believe. That's why I claimed that you don't know what Christians believe. The fact is that most Christians believe in evolution. Worship whoever or whatever you want or don't worship. But you as a non-believer shouldn't go around acting like you know what Christians believe when you clearly don't.
So you are indirectly saying that Christians beileve whatever hasnt been disproved by science? I think all Christians actually dont beileve in the same thing because everyone interprets the bible differently, fundamentalists beileve everything the bible says, the Westboro Baptist Church beileves everything happens because "God" hates ****.
First of all common sense is an oxymoron, good sense is not common. I don't need religion either to tell me right and wrong, we agree more. Those are some good morals your mentioned. What about your view of sex with respect to morals you mentioned rape, how do you view lust?
It is not important what Christians believe. I don't put stock in it. What is Jesus character and teaching? That is important.
My view of Sex (entire subject), Sex isnt wrong as long as you are not breaking any laws (doing it with a minor for example) or doing it without consent of partner. Its a personal choice of both people or more, what ever people like thse days
What Jesus teaches is the same thing that Siddharta Gautama (The Buddha) and most parents teach, (the difference between right and wrong). I guess people do need Jesus to learn these morals, I just dont.
based upon those morals you have no choice but not to believe in God. You couldn't if you wanted to. I was hoping you were free to choose on this but you aren't.
Stepping back is a good idea. I'm all over the map in this thread, calling myself an athiest, claiming agnostic beliefs, and defending Christians. It's feeling a bit schizophrenic. Why are 2 atheists arguing about the legitimacy of agnosticism anyway? Otherwise, I'll wait for Monday, if the thread's still relevant.
I meant they both teach morals and what is wrong, therefore no strike. Most parents do teach you the difference between right and wrong, they mainly do it indirectly through spanking or yelling when you do something wrong. No Strike either. And if you have morals and such, why be a Christian or part of a religion in the 1st place?
I dont use the bible or any of that to say that God does or doesnt exist, I look at different scenarios, other Gods believed to have been existed, Cults, the teaching of most religions, the philosophy of these religions and the fact that there is no scientific evidence showing that there is a god, this has made me decide that there cannot be a god, its possible that there is, but improbable. If this God cared so much about worship and people believing in him, why is he/she invisible and why doesnt he/she just tell us to do it, instead of having other people tell us that hes there?
sorry, I thought you meant they taught the same morals, they don't teaching isn't successful if you flunk out, most parents have the intention to teach right and wrong, but I think some parents teach right and wrong is more accurate. please consider that I am not using the teaching of morals as any basis my Christianity...if it was just teaching morals I would have quit along time ago. it really depends upon the character you have more than the morals your motivations define your character your character defines your choices your choices define your morals and your morals define YOU
