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China international tounament: China vs Italy

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  1. michecon

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    No, it's not a good practice to put words into somebody (Wang)'s mouth. Different people gets different "meaning" reading the quote. You are ceitainly entitled to read the subtext, but not a good idea to put it into quotes.

    Wang essentially says he's sorry for the lack of communication with the Natinal team and is looking forward to join them soon; his training in LA is fine. He watched draft, feel good for Yao and a little annoyed by Barkley's big mouth. He looks forward to dine with Yao if they play both in Taxes next season. etc.

    redao have the situation mostly right, only that he put some "color" into these quotes.
     
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    According to a Chinese site www.china.com, China's coach blamed himself for overcoaching his team prior to the tournament. China led 36-28 at half. In the third quarter, the Chinese showed fatigue and lost a 13-0 run to Italy. Never turn back.

    Yao Ming was double-teamed throughout the game; and Italy scored 14 three-point shots.

    The Chinese team did not play three key players due to injury (Baxter and Liu) and hold out (Zhi Zhi Wang). Yao Ming and two other started also played with injury.

    :)
     
  3. Deckard

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    Welcome, acrophobia98! Is overcoaching what the CBA calls going overboard with practice time? So they're exhausting the players with too much practice before games?
     
  4. Will

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    From what we've read about the bite that China, the CBA, and the Sharks are taking out of Yao's paycheck, he will definitely be playing in Taxes next season.
     
  5. Kam

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    I have.

    two million of them
     
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  7. cwww

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    What is going on? I couldn't believe someone asked Redao to translate a Chinese article, see what he did to it? Someone talked about politics here instead of Rockets basketball, and someone even posted a Chinese post here...:confused:
     
  8. michecon

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    LOL, will. My bad. I mean Texas.
     
  9. windy

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    I watched the game between China and Italy yesterday. It seemed that the Chinese players were very tired, especially in the second half(3rd & 4th Qtrs). I guess maybe they have had some exhaustic training in the previous weeks.

    Well, the Italians were well organised and they shot better than their Chinese counterpart. They were more energetic.

    They played four quarters(10m per qtr), Yao Ming made game-high 26 points, shooting 10-13 from field, 6-9 from the line. Perhaps as he's been injured several days before in a training session, he only grabed 4 or 5 rebounds, but he stilled got 2 AS, 3 Blocks. No too bad, especially while he's double teamed and got less support from his fellows.
     
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    windy: thanks for the game report.

    I heard the Italian team sank 13 (someone said 14) 3-pointers. Seems to me they were just trying to shoot from outside instead of trying to challenge ming inside the paint. Was it true?

    Thanks
     
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    That's reasonable. If the opposing team hits 13 or 14 three-pointers then they probably attempted over 20 shots from the arc(maybe over 30). Long shots results in long rebounds, so there wasn't much chance for a guy who pays down low to grab the ball from misses.
     
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    Hi all,

    A Yao Ming fan from NYC. Thanks for all the info and hope this helps - A translation for the Wang's report:

      记者:从达拉斯到这里多久了?大郅:已经有一个月了。来洛杉矶,一方面是因为这里有朋友,气候、饮食各种条件都比达拉斯好,另一方面是因为在这里可以找到比较好的教练帮助我训练。所以从到洛杉矶开始,我的训练就一直非常正规。
    Q: How long have you been here (since you left Dallas)?
    A: It’s been a month. The reasons I’m in L.A. are that I have friends here, plus compared to Dallas, the weather, food and other conditions are better here too. In addition, coaches are more readily available here for my training. I, therefore, have gone through very regular training ever since I got here.
      >>最近美国媒体一直在炒作你拒绝回国,对这件事情你怎么看?<<我不可能拒绝回国和为国家队效力,用句北京话说,我这孩子长这么大了,一直都很老实,不会作出对抗组织的事情。我留在这里,纯粹是为了让自己把篮球打得更好。首先,我和小牛的2年合同已经到期了,一旦小牛不打算续签我,我又没有通过夏季联赛表现自己,很可能就没有再继续打NBA的机会了;其次,我现在是拿一天当两天用,如果我1999年被选中就能来,现在肯定也不用这么着急,但现实是我耽误了两年时间,想追上别人就得多打比赛和高水平训练,夏季联赛是个非常好的机会。希望大家能够理解我,我是想让自己的实力更强,这样中国男篮也就更强,我们要在8月底的世锦赛上打出个样儿来。
    Q: U.S. media have rumored that you refused to go back to China, what do you say?
    A: It’s impossible for me to refuse going home and not to serve the national team. In Beijing colloquials, this big boy of mine has been very honest, I will not act against the organization. I’m staying just to improve my basketball skills. First of all, my 2-yr contract with Mavericks have expired. If they decide not to sign me, and I’m not here to participate in the summer league to market myself, I might not be able to play in the NBA again; Also, I’m taking each as if two days. Were I able to come to the U.S. as soon as I was drafted on 1999, I would not have to be in so much worries. The fact is I’ve wasted 2 years. In order to catch up, I have to play more and intensify the training. The summer league is a very good opportunity for me to do that. I hope everybody would understand that I want to better myself, so that our national team will be better and we’ll get better results in the World Championship in August.
      >>这里的训练水平很高吗?<<是的,而且非常系统和科学,不然,我不会在一个月内就长了9磅体重。教练有很多想法都和我们在中国过接触的传统训练不同,比如他特别注重吃,一天要吃5顿饭,而且在训练结束15分钟内,一定要开始吃饭。他认为在训练结束后马上用餐可以帮助我增长肌肉和体重,现实也确实如此,而我们的传统观念是训练后先歇歇再吃,以免消化不良。
    Q: Do they very high level of training here?
    A: Yes, very systematic and scientific. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have put on 10 pounds in a month. My coach here thinks and works very differently from the traditional methods we have in China. For instance, he put a lot of emphasis on the diet. I have to take 5 meals a day, and starting within 15 minutes after training. He believes eating immediately after training can help me put on muscles and weight. The results proved that to be correct. Whereas, our traditional thinking is that after training, we should rest a while before having a meal, in order to avoid indigestion.
      >>但是从最近事态的发展来看,你和篮管中心似乎有矛盾或误会?<<矛盾谈不上,我觉得可能有点误会。有误会的话责任也在我。我在这里自费训练,原以为可以一举两得,一方面使自己可以有系统的高质量训练,通过夏季联赛真正感受一下NBA大强度的比赛,为自己找一支合适的球队,另一方面参加夏季联赛也是为世锦赛备战,因为夏季联赛打完时,是7月下旬。但是我和篮管中心、王指导的沟通不够,这是我的责任,我想对他们道歉,向他们说声对不起。国家队的训练比我个人训练重要得多,如果国家队的世锦赛备战受影响了,而且因为我受了影响,恐怕我的责任就更大了。
    Q: Judging from recent events, there seems to be some conflicts or misunderstanding between the CBA and yourself?
    A: I don’t think there’re any conflicts, maybe some misunderstanding. If there’s indeed my misunderstanding, it will be my fault. I’m training here on my own expense with the purpose of killing two birds with one stone. On one hand, I can receive some systematic and high quality training. Playing in the summer league will give me more experience in tougher competitions, and will allow me to find a team of better fit. On the other hand, I can prepare myself for the World Championship through playing in the summer league which last until end of July. Nevertheless, I’ll take responsibilities for any mis-communication among CBA, Mr. Wang our coach and myself. I want to apologize to them. Training with the national team is a lot more important than my personal training. It will be even worse if my acts affect the team’s performance for the World Championship in a negative way.
      >>那你会不会回去?<<还是先和他们商量吧,因为现在夏季联赛已经快开始,我赶回去再赶过来可能时间不够。国家队上土耳其比赛什么时候?8月初?我争取在7月下旬夏季联赛结束后马上回去,和国家队会合。我一定要找个机会当面向篮管中心信主任和王指导作一下解释,向他们道歉,因为是我的原因造成了误会,我应该主动多沟通的。
    Q: So are you going back?
    A: I’ll talk to them first. As the summer league will soon begin, I might not have enough time to go home and rush back here. When is the national team playing in Turkey? Beginning of August? I’ll try my best to finish the summer league at the end of July and go home to join the national team. I must find a chance to meet with CBA management and Mr. Wang our coach to apologize. It’s my responsibility to explain to them for the misunderstanding.
      >>你对达拉斯那边的情况了解吗?<<基本上不了解。季后赛结束之后,和他们就没有什么联系了,《达拉斯晨报》的朱迪•弗雷德曾经打电话了,但她写了几篇不负责任的文章,这让我很难再信任她。我只是听说老尼尔森要减肥了,那是为了下赛季能更轻松的站起来骂队员,不然他的腰带快系到胸口了。
    Q: What about things in Dallas?
    A: Basically, I don’t know. I haven’t kept in touch with them since the end of the season. Judy (Frederick?) from Dallas Morning News called and wrote an irresponsible article, it’s very difficult for me to trust her again. I only heard that Old Nelson’s on a diet, to be able to stand more at ease to yell at players. Otherwise, his belt will have to up around his chest (to hold his pants).
      >>现在确定会去勇士队打夏季联赛了吗?<<还没有,一切都要等7月1日允许球队开始和球员谈合同以后再确定。勇士是早就和小牛方面提过的,希望我能去那里打夏季联赛,但可能其他球队也会给我发邀请。这毕竟和我未来的合同有关,我希望找一支适合我发展的球队。
    Q: Are you sure you’ll play for the Warriors for the summer league?
    A: Not yet. It’ll be until July-1 before teams can begin talking to players. There have been talks between Mavericks and Warriors about bringing me over for the summer league. But there might be invitations from other teams too. As this has something to do with my future contract, I hope I’ll find a team that’ll help my development.
      >>26日晚上看选秀的现场直播了吗?<<看了,真是挺为姚明高兴的。就是巴克利那个臭嘴巴,带着球迷嘘姚明,真是太招人恨了。如果我下赛季还留在小牛,我和姚明就都在得州,又能常常碰面了。我知道休斯敦有一家很不错的全聚德烤鸭,到时候要让姚明请我去吃饭。
    Q: Did you see Yao Ming on the draft?

    A: Yes, I did. I was extremely happy for Yao Ming. It’s disgusting that Barkley’s bad-mouthing him encouraged fans to boo him. If I stayed with Mavericks next season, Yao Ming and I will be both in Texas and we’ll get to see each other again. I know a Chinese restaurant in Houston (All Virtues) that serves very good Peking Duck, I’ll make Yao Ming take me out there.
     
  13. Relativist

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    clarence, you rock, man! Great translation.

    Anyone know where that restaurant is? Someone needs to hide out there with a camera the next GS at Houston game or whatever team Wang ends up signing with.
     
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    I can see Wang is not happy with Dallas at all. I wish there was a spot for him in Houston, but I doubt he would get many minutes here either.
     
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    I'm scared TMo may feel bitter like this after this season. Most others don't care (for good reason), but I still feel like TMo could be an ideal role player for us. But it doesn't look like he'll be getting much minutes with Rice and Nachbar ahead of him on the depth chart.
     
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    Thanks to all the Chinese translations of the Wang article - especially Clarence Lui - many thanks, great job. I'm thinking that this 'Judy' Fredericks person must be the Mavs beat writer at the Dallas Morning News - Jody Valade. How does that name jibe with your translation?

    As far as this being off-topic ... Wang's past, present and future impacts Yao. Houston fans can see their future with the Panda by learning the Wang situation thoroughly.

    Patience, grasshoppers, patience.
     
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    Franz, Jody and Judy when translated into chinese are very similar. Valade's actually a perfect match for the last name Wang mentioned. Sorry, I'm from NYC and therefore have no idea who Jody Valade is.

    You sound like a Dallas fan. I do wish Wang a successful career in the NBA as it occurs to me that nobody in the US is aware of what he can do as a basketball player. For example, contrary to most people's thought that he can't dunk, he actually can do something like a 360 effortlessly. He even showed it once on NBC's Inside Stuff a couple of years back. He has some very smooth inside moves too, if he's allowed to do them during games.

    Judging by the way he speaks (I'm fluent in Chinese) and his body languag on the court (I've seen him play since ~1996), he seems to be a lot more tied up by traditional Chinese thinking than Yao Ming is - great as a person but not good on an NBA court. However, I see his decision to play the summer league against the call of the national team as a very good sign that he might finally be able to break loose those chains.
     
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    I've watched this match.
    I guess Ming has 4-5 rebounds, 3-4 block, 3+ steel and 4+ turnover. This match represents he needs to improve his experience, the rebounds are too few to get. But the main attacking point of italy is shooting out-of-paint, so I'd say Ming's defense is pretty good.
    When attacking, he always faced to italy's C and SF both, so he has 4 above turnover.
    For that lie-score, in fact, this produced by his teammate's turnover, and he fall down the floor to snatch the ball with the italy's guard, and scored it sitting on the floor, that is his talent of basketball.
    Anyway, his status in this match is not very well, although he is the best compared with his teammates.
     
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    I think Wang's confidence playing near the basket has been ruined by the NBA-style defence.

    I saw him in a couple of NBA games where he had the chance to dunk the ball wide open but chose to lay it in instead.

    Back in those days when he was still in the CBA, you could see him doing all kinds of slam dunks almost in every game...
     
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    And america is perfect?

    we killed innocent indian women and kids

    we killed innocent latino women and kids

    we killed innocent japanese women and kids

    we killed innocent vietnam women and kids

    we killed innocent iraqi women and kids

    we killed innocent palestinein women and kids(supprting israel)

    we killed innocent afghanistan women and kids


    thats WHY god was takin out of the pledge,becuz the slave owning george washington and jefferson hypocrits founded this racist country



    ps:I bet this post causes a stir,well it shouldnt,its facts
     

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